18 November 2014

Children are born believers in God

Children are born believers in God

All over propaganda pages of religious institutions you find essays with a title suggesting a scientific study has revealed hitherto unknown evidence for gods in human brains from childhood onward.

This, it turns out, is primitive Christian propaganda.

Dr Justin Barrett, who led the CRT project, the Cognition, Religion and Theology Project.
He works at the Oxford Institute of Cognitive & Evolutionary Anthropology or, more precisely at the Centre for Anthropology & Mind, which already sounds a bit less impressive.

His opinion is that every mind is pre-conditioned to believe in a god and you need to indoctrinate someone into being an atheist. It looks as though this is what he set out to prove.

How and why the University in Oxford lends itself to this dubious research is beyond me. There are so many newspaper articles about this that they must know about this.

The findings were published in two separate books by psychologist Dr Barrett in “Why Would Anyone Believe in God?” and “Born Believers”. Project Co-director Professor Roger Trigg, from the Ian Ramsey Centre in the Theology Faculty at Oxford University, has also written a forthcoming book …

Erm, what? No papers? No publication of data? No peer-review? No experiments? No verification? No details or explanations what was asked by whom where and when? Are there falsifiable tests?
Straight from hypothesis to book?

Where have I heard that before? In science?!

Let's follow the other lead: the money. How can Oxford University fund such a project? Well, it turns out they didn't.

If you track down the actual research sites for the CRT project, you see something interesting: the money, the $4m, were not paid by the University, but by the John Templeton Foundation. Ah, that's why!

The John Templeton Foundation?

A man, Sir John Templeton, became very rich in the money industry and. in 1972, established the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion, giving away $60m each year. The money from this institution was used to fund the project.

What was the goal of the project? It was to explore and research ideas about gods and spirits, the afterlife, spirit possession, prayer, ritual, religious expertise, and connections between religious thought and morality and pro-social behaviour.

So we have a devout Christian who thinks that people were crafted by the Christian God to be in a loving relationship with him. He leads a project to explore the possibility of a built-in god in humans, funded by a religious institution bent on finding proof for a god.

Is this science? Or is this  "confirmation bias" and "biased interpretation"?

How did our religious zealot researcher go about researching religion? He formed a team and got people in different countries to talk to children. I have no clue whether any other research was combined with this or how they got others in different countries to cooperate but the result is that because children can be made to believe in a god then all humanity can too. And actually, when deposited on an island, children will start believing in a god. Apparently there are 40 additional studies available all linked to this one and all available at Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind. But these are not scientific studies but rather philosophical essays, nothing more.

I could not believe this nonsense and started looking for the actual data. And I did find some of it. Clicking on show results or anything results in "Page not found". Pity. The few publications I did find only contained the hypothesis, but not the methodology or results.

I found out that they were basing their research on earlier papers around child beliefs and religious indoctrination such as:

·         Human Uniqueness in Science and Theology
·         The psychology of religion
·         Cognitive Science, Religion, and Theology
·         Homo Symbolicus and Homo Religiosus
·         The Naturalness of Childhood Theistic Beliefs
·         Young Life Ministries and Teen Spiritual Transformation
·         What is spirit possession?
·         Do Spirits have Bodies?
·         Do ghosts get itchy?
·         Religion, Anthropology, and Cognitive Science
·         Normative judgement: evidential needs

It's unbelievable. Looking for the actual results I found that it centred around the comparison of 3- and 5-year-old children and how they changed from believing their mothers knew what was in a closed box to not knowing while maintaining that their god would know in both age groups. This scientifically and irrevocably proves all humans automatically believe in gods and that human thought processes are “rooted” in religious concepts. They also found that even adults "instinctively" believe that parts of them can live on after they die.

Oh boy!

While I was able to easily find other, older papers along with their questions and all the statistics, I was unable to dig up any detail on this project. I just found some summarised results without any of the necessary underlying data, such as:

•   Children and adults have a tendency to see the natural world as having function or purpose
•   In early childhood we have a natural tendency to attribute super properties to other humans and gods
•   Children commonly invent invisible friends
•   it may be that we have to be talked out of beliefs in the afterlife (or even a life before birth!), rather than talked into them
•   Religious beliefs and practices might persist in part because they make us more cooperative and generous with others

We see a lot of what I consider to be highly unscientific "might" this and "maybe" that. What I am missing: did they ask children which had been left unindoctrinated, as it were, to answer the same questions?

What part of asking an undisclosed number of children undisclosed questions is scientific?
Is putting the words science or scientific into a title sufficient to be taken and understood as science or scientific?
How is merely stating that looking whether  "scientific explanations for religion support or undermine religious beliefs" in any way scientific? What makes this more than simple wishful thinking?

So children do NOT have any tendency to anything except food and adoring their parents.

And once again: atheism is the lack of a belief that evidence exists for the existence of a god, and is not acquired or taught.

Finally, this is what Prof A. C. Grayling, Professor of Philosophy at the University of London, had to say about it:
    This claim was the subject of Barrett's lecture at Cambridge, in which he exhibited his reasons for thinking that children are innately disposed to believe in intelligent design/creationism and a supreme being. His real reasons for thinking this, of course, are that he is a man of faith funded by a faith-based organisation; but the reasons he professed were that children have an innate tendency when small to interpret what happens in the world to be the outcome of purposive agency.

    Now on this point he and I, an atheist funded by no organisation keen on promoting atheism, agree. Children's earliest experiences are of purposive agency in the adults and other people around them – these being the entities of most interest to them in their first months – and for good evolutionary reasons they are extremely credulous, not only believing that things must be acting as their parents do in being self-moving and intentional, but also believing in tooth fairies, Father Christmas, and a host of other things beside, almost all of which they give up believing before puberty, unless the beliefs are socially reinforced – as with religious and, to a lesser extent, certain other superstitious beliefs. Intellectual maturation is the process in important part of weaning oneself from the assumption that trees and shadows behave as they do for the same reason that one's parents, other humans, and dogs and cats do; it is every bit as natural a fact about children that they cease to apply intentionalistic explanations to everything as that they give them to everything, on the model of their parents' behaviour, in the earliest phases of development.

    But Barrett and friends infer from the first half of these unexceptionable facts that children are hardwired to believe in a supreme being. Not only does this ignore the evidence from developmental psychology about the second stage of cognitive maturation, but is in itself a very big – and obviously hopeful – jump indeed. Moreover it ignores the fact that large tracts of humankind (the Chinese for a numerous example) have no beliefs in a supreme being, innate or learned, and that most primitive religion is animistic, a simple extension of the agency-imputing explanation which gives each tree its dryad and each stream its nymph, no supreme beings required.

    "Religious belief" and early childhood interpretations of how the world work are so far removed from one another that only a preconceived desire to interpret the latter in terms of "intelligent design" and "a supreme being" – the very terms are a giveaway – is obviously tendentious, and this is what is going on here. It would merely be poor stuff if that was all there is to it; but there is more. The Templeton Foundation is rich; it offers a very large money prize to any scientist or philosopher who will say things friendly to religion, and it supports "research" as described above into anything that will add credibility and respectability to religion. Its website portrays its aims as serious and objective, but in truth it is just another example of how well-funded and well-organised some religious lobbies are – a common phenomenon in the United States in particular, and now infecting the body politic here.

    But the Templeton Foundation would do better to be frank about its propagandistic intentions, for while it tries to dress itself in the lineaments of objectivity it will always face the accusation of tainting the pool, as with the work of this Oxford University institute.

    Indeed I question the advisability of Oxford taking funds from the Templeton Foundation for this kind of work. I wonder whether it has undertaken due diligence on this one. I hope it would not take money supporting research for astrology, Tarot divination, proof that the Olympian deities still exist, and the like. The general claims of religion differ not one jot in intellectual respects – or respectability – from these. Perhaps it should think again.

People:
Most of Dr. Barrett’s academic work has concerned cognitive scientific approaches to the study of religion; a new project in this area will be helping to extend cognitive science of religion to China, for which he won a grant from the Templeton World Charity Foundation (2011-2014). His current research interests include cognitive, evolutionary, and psychological approaches to the study of religion; cognitive approaches to the study of culture and archaeology generally; and religious and character development in children and adolescents.

Dr Petrovich is currently studying origins of basic theological concepts in everyday cognition. She lectures for the Faculty of Theology in the Psychology of Religion.

The papers

Templeton Foundation


The childish beliefs of Dr Justin Barrett

Comments

The project papers


Born Believers: The Science of Children's Religious Belief

Why Would Anyone Believe in God? (Cognitive Science of Religion)



31 October 2014

Muslim Apologists and Reality - an Introduction to Muslim Apologetics

Muslim Apologists and Reality



Theist, derived from Greek theos + -ist; theos is god and the -ist signifies “using, being, making”
The theist believes there is evidence for the existence of a god.
The a-theist does NOT believe there is evidence for the existence of any god.


There are many different possibilities regarding an epistemological approach to gods, but I am concentrating on only 1 thing: the atheist is the opposite of the theist. Nothing more.

It is belief (theist) versus lack of belief or non-belief in something (atheist).

I want to talk about apologists, who would very much like atheists to be more than just non-believers, who would like them to be evil and  baby-munching monsters, part of a faith-based belief. In reality both, theists as well as atheists, will automatically help if someone trips or a baby falls from the pram. Because we are humans.

Apologists, if I may generalise here for a moment, don’t understand this. Apologists don’t understand the arising consequences. Apologists can’t handle that atheists don’t make claims and don’t carry any burden of any kind of proof. Apologists somehow think that an atheist is a mixture of confused misperceptions, misconceptions, irrational notions and rejection of the obvious, a whole plethora of faith-based, weird, scientific “only-theories”.

Ok, here’s the next thing that gets me, the conflating of science and atheist:
Yes, religion is not compatible with science, they are opposites.
Religion is based on faith, science is based on facts.
Religion takes place in an imaginary world, outside the Universe, science is used in the real world.
Unlike religions, science does not provide certainties, but probabilities.
Science represents the knowledge humanity has regarding the natural world, 99% of which has been gathered in the last 200 years, in 0.003% of the existence of humanoids.
It describes the natural world after observing, measuring, testing, analysing and confirming data.
None of that is found in any religious books, least of all, the Koran.
Religion and science differ in methodology, processes, philosophy and results.
Religions are static and science, because it uses replication, falsifiability, logics, reason, rationality, predictions and embraces doubt, is the opposite, always getting more accurate and providing better explanations in the form of scientific theories.
Claims of the super-natural are tested scientifically all the time - but have never been demonstrated or verified. This means that science does not preclude or reject anything a priori.
But just because there is a philosophy of science and religions can be assessed philosophically, this word “philosophy” cannot be used to link the two.
So even though religion and science are opposites, I wish apologists would stop trying to link an atheist with science, a worldview or a belief system.

Next, there is no such thing as a neo or new atheist. The definition of “opposite of theist” has been the same since the word “theist” came around something like 400 years ago. Just because atheists are no longer a mini-minority and more vocal does not change the definition and information of the word atheist. And if theists would keep their beliefs to themselves and stop trying to oppress others, we would all get along just fine. That’s because atheists react. They react to claims, demands and actions. If there were no claims, demands or actions made by theists, there would be no atheists. No theist means no atheist. It’s THAT easy.

After this short introduction of the basics, let’s quickly turn to specifics.

Islam is a socio-political system, a religion and a worldview and a political ideology. The religion in Islam uses faith to propagate super-natural entities and occurrences which have never been reliably demonstrated or independently verified in the real world. The Koran instructs followers to rely on the Koran and to reject progress. It tells its followers to believe and obey and to reflect, ponder and gain knowledge only regarding the Koran and their god, never, the natural world. Islam has an Arabic expression, bid’ah, the innovation in religion, forbidden as was “Western” television in Communist Russia due to the detrimental influence of a free society. It is thus no small wonder that most Muslim apologists are backward, hopelessly uneducated, embarrassingly ignorant and rely solely on faith. They prefer illusion to reality.

They try and discredit both science and atheists, thinking that this will somehow elevate the credibility of their faith-based belief-system.

Militant Muslim fundamentalists, Islamists and conservative Muslims represent roughly 300 million Muslims. These followers of Islam can enslave, loot, occupy a country  and levy taxes on the locals or stone a woman to death for making love with a man not her husband. Their minds are not available to help solve the real problems we have on this planet. The majority of Muslims will not condemn this. And if Bill Maher with Sam Harris were to burn a Koran on the show, there would be riots and protests in the streets all over the world. These 2 could go nowhere without police protection. What is the reaction if Muslims kill, decapitate, rape and enslave? An open letter.

Why?
Everything I just mentioned is condoned in the Koran and possible anywhere you find Muslims. Luckily, most Muslims are better than their god and ignore all of this, just leading a peaceful existence, enjoying a fulfilled life with family and friends.

This is the scenario, this is the mixed environment in which Muslim apologists today create their videos, articles or pamphlets and propagate their beliefs, some with the aim of generating revenue by pimping young girls and others by recruiting fighters for their god in foreign countries. And some just to have more believers who will contribute bonus points for the one converting them and income from zakat. Just like a sales-team, trying to gain customers by luring them away from the competition and gunning for market dominance and ultimately a monopoly.

Their sales-pitch, the proselytising, providing dawah as it is known in Islam, is usually quite childish, embarrassingly bad, consisting mainly of stereotypes, claims based on ignorance and plain nonsensical statements. A huge amount consists of lies and deceptive statements.

The people responsible for this are uneducated Muslims who don’t know much of anything. The strict rituals of Islam are providing them with a framework for their sad lives. The social aspect of this system elevates their self-esteem and they derive mannerism and positive feedback from their social in-crowd so they don’t even see how limited and tedious their lives are. They don’t realise that this is artificial, as one of the covenants is that they don’t criticise each other, always deriving a positive response to their nonsense. This allows them to actually feel elated, fulfilled and even superior, an illusion, not reality.

This is where I get irritated and outright angry. It’s like the guy next to me, who doesn’t know analogue watches, is being sold a fake Rolex on the beach. My moral values provide me with compassion, so I speak up and inform the guy of the scam. The same is the case with Muslim apologetics. As I am not part of any religious crowd, I can openly and objectively criticise this nonsense and show the nonsense for what it is and inform potential victims of the consequences.

Let’s get even more specific.

Take, for instance, LDM, or London Dawah Movement. These people were, to a large extent, trained by the convert Hamza Tzortzis, a dishonest, ignorant loud-mouth who damaged Islam and the perception of Muslims quite substantially with his half-baked philosophy and bad copies of Christian apologists who were since also silenced by facts and reason. LDM pretend to be providing modern arguments for an ancient ideology - and fail badly. Yet they constantly pump out more lies and childish rhetoric, then demand more money and sponsorship, in other words, donations.

They spend this money on technical equipment and trips to the football championship in Brazil or the Formula1 race in Bahrain to give dawah to Muslims and convert them to Islam, I suppose. Utter and incredible nonsense. A waste. Of everything.

When they started out I tried contacting them through their weekly program which allows for some viewer interaction. Not free and open like the Jinn & Tonic show or MSS, but some interaction was possible, albeit monitored and tightly controlled.

I was actually naïve enough to think we could find a common, rational basis, but this proved to be impossible. They soon broke their promises and eventually banned me for making critical remarks instead of embracing constructive criticism. Today, I just receive insults and personal criticism from them. They don’t understand concepts, least of all logical fallacies, so an insult is an ad hominem and a refutation a strawman. They don’t know better and choose to remain ignorant and uneducated. But at least I tried.

They constantly talk about the false perception of Islam and making positive engagements with the community. Then they rock up with their long beards and long dresses, demonstrating vividly that they don’t respect the local culture one bit. The female Muslims are not allowed to talk to strangers and if they do it is through layers of covering, also not respecting the local culture.

They constantly talk about atheists - and don’t understand what atheists are.
They constantly talk about the Big Bang - and don’t understand what the Big Bang is.
They constantly talk about morality - but lack even the ability to condemn the stoning of women.
They constantly talk about incest - because they misunderstand what people say and forget their own Islamic rules about this.
They don’t understand that a car, a book or an ideology can’t be “truth” - yet constantly use these words in combination.
They don’t understand what Prof Krauss, Dr Harris or Prof Dawkins say - but incessantly talk about them.

They set up tables across the UK and then loudly demonstrate their ignorance and backward ideology expecting more followers and income. All they manage is scraping the barrel, finding extremely credulous people with low self-esteem and lacking education. Then they hug and pat each other on the back - for stealing candy from a baby.

Allow me a brief break here. Just to set the stage, if I am taking a video by or with Imran Hussein, you need to protect your brain by lowering its activity.

This is a person who publicly claims that an atheist, the person who lacks a belief, has this lack of a belief as their worldview. Like not accepting James Bond - is a person’s worldview.
This is a person who is shocked that the theory of evolution is taught in schools, as a fact.
This is a person who admits that he, being a Muslim, does not understand science and the scientific method, he freaks out.
To make up for this and to provide him with comfort, he has his favourite god with him wherever he goes and a lot of truth. I will not waste time on counting how many times the word truth is used, but trust me, it’s substantial.
This is a person who correctly asserts that an atheist has no basis and thinks he’s made a profound statement.
This is a person who finally manages to do something which any kid would take to be obvious, the detachment of science from the atheist. Wow! Brilliant.
This is a person who thinks the Koran tells followers to look at nature, when it does no such thing.
This is a person who thinks the Koran tells followers to “do science”, which is completely untrue.
He spends time talking about camels, probably completely ignorant about the fact that they came over from America - the others wandered South as Llamas, Alpacas, etc. something like 6000 years ago. They arrived in Africa, where just a few countries around Somalia hold 60% of today’s world population of dromedaries, not Arabia. The two-humped Bactrian camel stayed behind in the colder regions of Asia.
This is a person who calls a drop of semen “dead” or “dead water” when the total opposite is true.

I accept the possibility that
- evolution is correct
- evolution is wrong
- a god exists
- a god does not exist

I am willing and prepared to change my mind instantly. As is Prof Dawkins, who might be arrogant, the fact is he does NOT claim he knows all the answers.

So, maybe it’s time to spend a few days to invest an hour here and there and check what the contents of these videos is and expose the childish and deceptive disposition of their messages.

Since all members of LDM are, well as are all apologists I know, as they are cowards and too afraid to chat, talk or have a civilised discussion with someone who knows Islam a bit, I will select a couple of their videos and make some short replies where I will show the approach they use and then provide my comment and what I think of it, showing the lies, falsehoods and deceit. I will try and show that their playing pretend is not reality and that it is based on mere faith, not facts. This hopefully will present a counter-balance to their claims and level the playing field a bit and maybe give potential converts a 2nd opinion. The counter-apologetics, as it were, to their 101, my 102 or 201 or 1001.

And who knows, maybe even LDM can come to their senses and provide real arguments for Islam from Islam instead of what they are doing now, choosing an immensely disingenuous approach, damaging the credibility of Islam and Muslims.


See you later when I will reply to some of their videos.

30 September 2014

A Muslim Sisters’ Response to the Campaign of Dr Taj Hargey to Ban the Burka in Britain


A Muslim Sisters Response to The Campaign of Dr Taj Hargey to Ban the Burka in Britain

My reply to a blog entry on: A Muslim Sisters’ Response to The Campaign of Dr Taj Hargey to Ban the Burka in Britain




It says “August 21, 2014 by Imran Hussein”, but also states it is by Ruqayyah Dawood, so it is not entirely clear to me who actually wrote this.

To kick this off, let me see what this is all about. A Muslim cleric in the UK, a Dr Taj Hargey, has launched a campaign to ban the wearing of all types of face masks in public, including the burka - in the UK. He accepts women as equals, as participating members of society who can be visible, even in a mosque.

He states the burka has nothing to do with Islam and is just a cultural fad imported from Arabia. He further questions all Muslims why they don’t reject this misogynistic piece of covering as it clearly divides Muslims from normal people. Yes, I am distinguishing between normal people and those demanding women wear a full body covering.

He makes some valid points, like the fact that the Koran nowhere states that “women need to cover their bodies excepting faces and hands” and that any covering is prohibited for women on pilgrimage, the hajj. It’s only the interpretation of humans, old men, who have decided what is an adequate attire for young women. He points to the origins of veiling and the role of distinguishing slaves from free women, the slave owners. Disassembling the religious arguments, he points to cultural demands and how today the burka is seen as a positive sign, a sign of victory of Muslims in their quest for world domination.


So now we have a reply by a female Muslim, a woman who likes walking around as an unidentifiable object, a non-personality. A woman who thinks tolerance and acceptance are one-way streets and if I tolerate and adjust to the local culture in Oman, there is no need for the Oman people to tolerate or adjust to other cultures.


I have marked the post I am replying to as                          

As a British female revert to Islam, I am yet again offended by a man trying to impose his beliefs about what he thinks is best for me, what I should wear and how I should practice my chosen faith.

We are not told, what has offended this poor kid in the past to be traumatised so badly.
Whatever it was, she now thinks that offending others in their cultural environment is a lot better than feeling offended by the culture she wants to live in.

I would like to categorically assert that I did not accept the religion of Islam to have Muslim reformists try to chase me away from it, or deter me from following its normative tradition.

It is telling how simpleminded people tend to identify with a symbol of their belief. This poor, deluded woman thinks that asking her to associate with the cultural environment she is living in and to demonstrate some tolerance for the traditions of this country as well as respect for the locals is simply too much. Rather, she expects others to tolerate and respect her adopted culture from 1000s of miles away, the Arabian desert. There, slaves are banned from wearing veils and burkas and only the free women may cover themselves.

Our Muslimah now thinks that the practices of the Arabian desert, stemming from cultural norms 1000s of miles away and 1000s of years ago need to be applied here and now.

She makes it sound as though if she were deprived of this cloth, her entire identity and belief system would be stripped away along with it. Living in a tolerant society which caters for every crackpot is one thing – expecting this society to now adopt the crackpot rituals and beliefs is another.

Dr. Hargey is propagating an integration with the host society, not a ban on personal beliefs. If a person wants to practice their beliefs they are welcome to do so, but not at the cost of everyone around them.

Does this woman ever stop and think what message she is sending out? Does she consider the feelings of others? Is she in any way considerate or only selfish?

Especially by someone who is clearly untrained and lacking in scholarly credence. [1]

She is so desperate to oppress others with her threatening and frightening attire she is blindly lashing out. She has no factual points, so she delivers the knee-jerk reaction of not addressing facts but rather resorts to trying to damage the person’s credibility, regardless of the validity of their arguments.

She refers to a blog of someone who rejects the notion of progress and change within Islam and reckons that if something was good enough for Muhammad, it must be good enough for all Muslims. That’s how easy the world can be. Live your life according to the rules of the 7th century and everything is fine.

The first baseless accusation I’d like to address, made by Dr Taj Hargey, who doesn’t deserve a formal introduction, is that the face veil poses a security risk.  Despite there being no evidence to support that veiled women are prone to committing criminal or terrorist acts, I do not know of anyMuslim woman who has the slightest objection to removing the face veil to confirm their identity, thus adhering to much needed security measures in airports and other places that require heightened security.

This woman is so full of hate and fear that she can’t think straight. Criminals are using the burka as disguise from cameras. That is a security risk. They are using the politeness factor, which creates a threshold which needs to be overcome before addressing every person in a burka to establish their identity. That is a security risk. It’s truly astonishing how limited her thinking capability is.

In 2001, having being a Muslim for seven years, I deliberated and studied the issue of adorning the face veil and willingly adopted it for myself. That choice and the way I choose to dress have never prevented me from being a compassionate, positive and active citizen of Britain. Neither has it restricted me in volunteering for activities to promote health and fitness in my city. I have delivered presentations on Islam at schools, fed the homeless in my local area, and even taken part in parent’s races on Sports Day! Rather it is counter productive and negative campaigns by Dr Hargey which encourage unrest and distrust, whilst proposing a dangerous totalitarian law on dress code that threatens all of our liberties, whatever our faith and beliefs.

How can you be a “positive and active citizen” if you are locking yourself away under all these layers of cloth? This cloth spells “do not approach”. When I approached 3 burka clad women they ran away shrieking before I could get past the “Could you tell me where ….”
Maybe this woman has taken part in something – but has she ever considered how others felt in her presence?
What Dr. Hargey is proposing is a rational and factual approach leading to a position of communal acceptance and integration, instead of this divisive garment.
How is this counter-productive? How does the burka do anything for the acceptance of Islam in non-Islamic countries? How does a burka bring trust? Ludicrous.
Banning the hiding of the face is totalitarian, threatening liberties? In this culture people ought to take responsibility for their actions. Looters, rioters and hooligans don’t.

Another groundless assertion that Dr Hargey makes in ‘support’ of his campaign against the ‘burka’ is that the veil does not have a place in Islam and is that it is completely against Islamic thought and tradition. This claim is riddled with inaccuracies and misinformation. History documents that amongst the vast majority of Muslim scholars since the early days of Islam, there has always been a healthy culture of debating religious issues. These topics would include the best way to offer prayer, whether shellfish is a permitted for consumption and if the face veil is obligatory or just an extra act of worship. Within all schools of thought the face veil has always been considered, at the very least, to be an honored act of obedience to The Creator.

This is a lie. There has never been a “healthy” debate regarding Islam in Islam. Muslims who disagree over nuances in the interpretations of their vague and ambiguous texts kill each other before they talk.
None of the 1000s of groupings within Islam agree on the covering for women. There is no common agreement whether or not it is required and if it is required what should be covered and by what.

Dr Hargey also feebly attempts at a claim that the veil cannot be Islamic because other ancient cultures encouraged it prior to the advent of Islam. This is like saying the turban cannot be part of Sikhism, because the Arabs wore it before they did! In fact the claim that the face veil stems from deep roots in Persian tradition doesn’t wash either. Ancient Greek texts speak of the veiling, and the seclusion of women being practiced among the Persians as a means to separate the ‘elite’ from the commoners. Historically, the veil was an article of apparel that was a means of denoting social distinction. It was not a widespread phenomenon, but was restricted to a certain social class of women. [2]

Dr. Hargey points out that other ancient cultures knew of veiling and/or covering women to different degrees at different occasions. Today, women are part of society and men and women have equal rights legally, something denied to women in Islamic jurisprudence.

In contrast the face veil, or ‘niqab’ adopted by Muslim women, is considered an act of obedience and commitment to The Creator, because as the Qur’an states,

It is relatively useless to constantly refer to what something is “considered as”. That is human interpretation and confirmation bias will not allow any objective statement.

“Indeed, the noblest among you near Allah, is the one who is most conscious of Allah.”[3]

A book making a vague statement is not providing a definition or clear statement. What exactly does “noblest among you near Allah” mean? Who is noble or more noble among whom? What is near or further away from a god? How can anyone even be closer to something which has never been demonstrated to exist? What is the requirement to be “conscious” of something? How can a human be “conscious” of a god if that god is not part of our reality, our continuum and reality? Complete hogwash.

Dr Hargey also dismisses the veil by arguing that it is a backward cultural practice. He usually cites the Pakistani community, and argues that it is just a primitive tradition of elderly Pakistani women. This pseudo-argument does not hold water. Modern Islamist feminists and contemporary scholars are infact trying to educate much of the developing world that many of their customs, including honour killings, the caste system and preference of boys over girls are not connected to Islam. They argue that these customs are antithetical to Islamic values and are rooted in ignorance.Pakistan is no model for the most practising Islamic society. The irony is, many of these Islamist feminists who struggle against backward cultural practices – wear the face veil themselves! Thus, the veil is a symbol for revival and progress.

The rituals in Islam are adopted or “borrowed” from earlier traditions, mostly pagan. That’s why Muslims today run around the Kaaba and a black stone seven times and throw pebbles at the symbolised devil, wearing white robes and performing ritualistic washings and animal sacrifices as punishment. Primitive traditions. Muslims throw themselves on the ground and put their heads on the floor and then greet their guardian angels on the right and the left. Primitive traditions. They believe in demons, evil spirits and enter a toilet only left foot first while mumbling some ritualistic words to ward off the evil spirits, the jinn, trying to take control of their bodies via the exposed body openings. Primitive traditions. They believe in the evil eye and curses and black magic. They mutilate the genital organs of boys and girls.
The burka has been around for 1000s of years, was abolished and was revived. The Koran only condones knowledge of the Koran and the hadith reject change and progress. Muslims are not interested in science and scientific advancements, so they lie and invent something sounding “sciency” and attribute this to Koran and Muslims. No, there is no progress in Islam and least of all in the burka.

It must be said that Dr Taj Hargey will not understand why women choose to wear the niqab without acknowledging the revolution that occurred amongst women at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The women during the early period of Islam enthusiastically adhered to the Quranic instruction of the veil as part of an uprising against the ignorant practices of those times.

This is a fabrication and sheer ignorance. The covering for free women existed and was merely adopted.

Just as western history celebrates the burning of bras of the 1960’s, so does the Islamic world cheer the women of the Arabian deserts who tore their sheets in two so that they may cover their heads and faces.  This was their revolution, with The Creator as their Liberator and Protector, freeing them from sexual deprivation, degradation based on gender,and empowering them against a culture of immorality – Common practices in the age of ignorance included marriages that had more in common with prostitution than a contract of love and compassion. Islam emancipated women.

Utter bullshit.

Five years after the Prophet’s migration to Medina, the fifty-ninth verse of Surah Al-Ahzab, was revealed,

How does she know this? How can she claim this with any degree of certainty?

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. [4]

This is a typical description of women when they were on a camel in a caravan as free women, not as working slaves.

The Prophet (pbuh) was commanded to tell his wives, daughters and the women of the believers to ‘bring their outer garments close to them’ so that they can be recognized as noble women and not be harmed. In response to the verse, the women of Madina were reported to have come out with their faces covered in different ways. [5]

They “were reported” means nothing. “Some say” has no bearing on anything.

Whilst Dr Hargey mentions verse thirty in Surah Al-Noor,where Allah Almighty commands believing men and women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, he fails to follow it up with the mention of the following verse, verse thirty-one, where Allah then tells women to not expose their beauty except that which is normally apparent. [6] There are two interpretations for the ‘normally apparent’. Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) says it means the face and hands, however, Ibn Mas’ud (may Allah be pleased with him) interprets it as whatever is apparent after the face is covered.

Well, Dr. Hargey also omits the rest of the Koran. His point is why do women need to protect themselves from men when men are commanded to lower their “gaze”? Wouldn’t a simple command in the Koran be sufficient to settle this once and for all: “do not force yourself on women”.
Dr. Hargey points out a contradiction in the Koran, which says one thing and then contradicts it with something else. The sentence that women should “not expose their beauty except that which is normally apparent” is a typical, wonderfully vague sentence which carries no information at all and can be interpreted into anything you want regarding clothes on women.

These revelations and traditions are where the deep rooted Islamic view of face veil stems from and where I myself derive my belief that my niqab is as an additional act of obedience to my Creator. My interpretation, which is in line with the Shafi’, Hanbali and later Hanafi jurists has encouraged myself to emulate the women closest in affection and time to the Prophet of Islam, namely his wives and daughters. These women are my role models. Obviously Dr Hargey doesn’t consider them as people we should look up to. Perhaps Dr Hargey’s demeaning behaviour
towards the adherents of mainstream Islam is due to an inferiority complex?

The writer of these lines demonstrates her simple mind and primitive beliefs with this. She takes what some men, Ibn ‘Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud tell her how to dress. Two men who lived more than 1000 years ago, if they even excited and were not fabricated along with Muhammad’s fairy tales.

This hypocrite of a woman demonstrates her double standards when she says that men who tell her what is best when they lived 1000 years ago this is totally acceptable – yet when a man tells her something today, she is “offended by a man trying to impose his beliefs about what he thinks is best for me”. Embarrassing.

She accepts the ancient scholars and their rulings over her and dresses according to the culture of the 7th century and uses the internet of the 21st century. Astonishing.
Women in the hadith are pictured as tilth, objects, without a voice, deficient in every way. But this woman wants the dress but not the consequences. Typical cherry-picking.

Dr Hargey also says that the face veil is not permitted in Islam’s Holy City of Makkah during the Annual Pilgrimage. Having performed the Annual Pilgrimage once and the lesser ‘Umrah’ Pilgrimage twice, I can tell you it is a frequent sight to witness the Saudi security guards reminding the womenfolk, who do not wear veil, of its importance in such a mixed and crowded environment. Those who choose to keep their faces uncovered, when normally they would wear veil elsewhere, do so only due to adopting the ruling of Hanafi school which states that no cloth should touch the face during ‘Ihram.’ [7] When not taking part in the rites of the pilgrim, female visitors to Makkah are often seen wearing the face veil- a practice in line with normative Islam

Wow! Typical bending and twisting things until they comply with your own wishes.
It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man stood up and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what kind of clothes do you command us to wear during ihraam?’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Do not wear a shirt or pants or a turban or a burnous. If one of you does not have any sandals then let him wear the khuffayn (leather slippers) and cut them so that they come below the ankle. Do not wear anything that has been dyed with saffron or turmeric. Women in ihraam should not wear niqaab or gloves.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1468; Muslim, 1177)

Wearing niqaab is one of the things that are forbidden when in ihraam. A woman can cover her face in front of non-mahram men after entering ihraam with part of her garment, lowering it from the top of her head over her face, without committing the forbidden action of wearing niqaab.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man stood up and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what clothes do you command us to wear in ihraam?” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wear shirts, pants or any kind of headgear… and women in ihraam should not wear niqaab or gloves.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1741.


When a woman enters ihram, she should not wear a niqab or burqa.


It is haraam for the muhrimah to wear the burqa’ or niqaab (kinds of face-veils), and to wear gloves, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Women (during Hajj) should not wear niqaab or gloves.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari.


Ibn Qudamah said in regards to this condition, "I have not found this condition to be from (Imam) Ahmad, nor is it from the Hadith. In fact, reality contradicts this condition. For verily, the cloth that covers over a women's face, rarely does it remain un-touching to her skin. Had this been a condition (that it should not touch her face) the Prophet (peace be upon him) - would have explained it."


Malik’s Muwatta, Book 20, Number 20.5.15:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say that A WOMAN IN IHRAM SHOULD WEAR NEITHER A VEIL NOR GLOVES.


“The truth is the niqab is NOT an Islamic institution, but an innovation borrowed from paganism and Judaism! This was the opinion of Quran translator Marmduke Pickthall”



Ibn al-Mundhir said: The fact that wearing the burqa’ (face veil – during ihraam) is makrooh is narrated from Sa’d, Ibn ‘Umar, Ibn ‘Abbaas and ‘Aa’ishah. We do not know of anyone who held a different view. Al-Bukhaari and others narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman should not wear niqaab or gloves.” But if she needs to cover her face because men are passing close by her, then she should lower part of her garment from the top of her head over her face. This was narrated from ‘Uthmaan and ‘Aa’ishah, and this was the view of ‘Ata’, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Shaafa’i, Ishaaq and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan, and we do not know of any opposing view. This is because of the report narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were in ihraam with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). When they drew near, one of us would lower her jilbaab from her head over her face, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833 and by al-Athram. Al-Mughni, 3/154. The hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Risaalat Jilbaab al-Mra’ah.

This last ruling again stresses the covering of women when travelling.

Taking into account all Dr Hargey’s false claims, I conclude that either he is very ignorant about the religion he claims to follow, or like asserted previously he seeks attention due to inner feelings of inferiority when surrounded by strong Muslim women. Either way his campaign is yet another attempt of a man trying to dictate what a woman should wear.  Dr Hargey seems to be imposing his sexist views on women by telling them what attire they should adorn themselves with. He has joined the likes of fashion designers, men’s magazines and politicians such as Jack Straw, in attempting to forcefully impose the sexist ideology that a man has the right to entice women to undress against her own honour and free will. It is sad to witness that this form of sexual harassment remains unchallenged. Despite all of the sacrifices women have made throughout history, this hidden patriarchy continues unabated.  Dr Hargey’s proposal is a threat to Civil liberties whilst stunting the promotion of community and social cohesion that he claims to defend.


It is not an exaggeration to postulate that Hargey’s campaign is tantamount to sexual harassment.

This to me is the most amazing paragraph of this piece of primitive drivel. It is appalling how childish and simple-minded indoctrinated women can become. She wants to hide inside her protective shell as is dictated by old men 1000 years ago and scoffs at a person who is trying to enable a way for women to participate in the social activities of the 21st century. This woman will not pilot a Boeing jet as her counterparts in the free world can - when Saudi women aren’t even allowed to use a bicycle in public. She will never participate in any social or professional activity which requires dressing in anything but a burka. There will always be this wall between her and the rest of the world. And she calls it sexual harassment. Dr. Hargey’s campaign can save lives, those lives of women whose father or husband can demand the wives ask for permission to leave the house and demand they wear a burka when they do. And she calls this sexual harassment.
I have met women on nudist beaches and neither raped nor harassed them or treated them with anything but the respect they deserved. It’s the personality, not the clothes which count.
But this woman must feel terribly threatened by reality that she needs her shell like a snail. And then talks about the inferiority complexes of others. Sad!

The Equality and Human Rights Commission of  Britain states that the following criteria equate to sexual harassment, and urge victims not to be fooled into thinking it is reasonable to tolerate such behavior;

1.    Comments about the way you look which you find demeaning.
2.    Indecent remarks –(this would include comments such as “get it off,” “take it off”)
3.    Sexual demands by a member of your own or the opposite sex (this would include demands for you to reveal a part of your body which you consider to be private)
4.    Unwanted conduct on the grounds of your sex [8]

Yeah, picking and choosing. The above is made to look as though it were a quote, a verbatim citation. It is not. It is picking and choosing and an interpretation of what it says on that page and twisting the intentions to suit this woman’s agenda. I personally stare more at a burka clad woman than a normally dressed one.

Since the private parts of a person is a place on the human body is that which is customarily kept covered by clothing in public venues and conventional settings, as a matter of decency, decorum, and respectfulness, [9] it then it follows that Hargey should be accused of sexual harassment. The idea of what is ‘private’ from one person to the next differs, but in no way should be enforced by others on the individual.

This woman is now hysterical and borderline psychotic. Looking at a woman is not sexual harassment, regardless of whether she is wearing something or not. In our culture a woman in what I call “normal” clothes is neither harassing nor being harassed. The woman on the Copacabana is fully dressed when wearing the typical Brazilian tanga. It is the mind of the observer that makes this sexual or an harassment of any type. But this primitive female is incapable of grasping this.
Every adult human knows that a female has boobs and a vagina. We don’t normally display sexual organs in public. That is how people have developed social norms. they regulate behavioural patterns and social interaction. When I leave one cultural zone and enter another one, I am asked to respect the local culture. I comply because I am tolerant and capable of adjusting. This woman, clearly, is not.

Although the above forms of sexual harassment can be inflicted by either gender, in all honesty I have only ever heard, “Show us your face/legs/hair,” and “Get it off,” from men, never women. These experiences have strengthened my determination to never let a man dictate to me how much flesh I should expose.

This is hilarious. She is too stupid or too deluded or both to realise what nonsense this is. Were Ibn ‘Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud men?

The unfortunate fact is that despite our claims of advancement in the fields of science and academics,the world we live in today is just as rife with prejudices and pressures to fit into what is ‘normal,’ as it ever has been.It doesn’t matter if an individual is white, black, yellow, fat, thin, covered or not- there will always be a section of the community who will frown upon our appearance and choices and aim to take away our freedoms. Even more consequential is that we are ‘thrown’ into this life as slaves to our circumstance, not able to control our place of birth, our parents or lineage, our DNA or our social condition. Infact there are psychologists who deliberate quite rightly, that we never even chose to exist at all. [10]

Stating the obvious. So what?

This state of bondage is magnified when we are pressured to fit into the social norms of our communities, taking the form of a suffocating cultural slavery. Sometimes our participation in following changing fashions and trends is willing- we quite like those maxi dresses that are now ‘in vogue’ or we don’t mind paying ridiculous prices for the new smart phone which has only one additional feature different to the previous model- but most times we un-wittingly and un-willingly succumb to societal pressure.

It is painfully obvious that this woman does not understand the 21st century and can’t handle the 21st century. She is intellectually incapable of adjusting to a modern age lifestyle and just wants to go back to the simple life of the 7th century – forgetting FGM and lacking medical or hygienic standards. She obviously wants men to take care of her and she is only incubator and maid.

Another form of enslavement is the servitude to our desires, many of which are harmful to our psychological state, our loyalties to others and our spiritual well-being. Examples include the urge to pursue that unobtainable man or woman at the expense of our pride and dignity,the drive to follow our dreams no matter who gets trampled upon and the desire to fulfil every filthy fantasy thus degrading our very being.

What a waste of a mind. Completely useless and utterly failed.

This is where Muslims like myself prefer to rid ourselves of all these forms of subjugation and find solace and purpose in submitting to the Creator becoming ‘His’ slave alone. This may be interpreted and adhered to slightly differently from one striving Muslim to the next, but the intention and willingness is the same and should be respected equally.  Islam is not monolithic, and Hargey cannot force his views on the mainstream Muslim community. This bigotry must stop.

Yep, figures. This is a failed person who is given pride and the feeling of being someone through religion when she can’t do this in the real world. And a Dr. Hargey threatens this. The problem is that feels useless and tries to compensate that with attaching herself to an imaginary god, a god she can shape and mould however she wants in her primitive mind, bar reality and the real mess the Koran and the sunnah presents.

I could easily fit into todays ‘norm’ of dressing to impress. As a white woman living in England it would barely raise an eyebrow. And if our lives just conclude in the grave, ultimately us all finishing up as worm buffet, as some would have us believe- what difference does it make if I lived a life as a Devil and you as an Angel? I however believe to have found the only logical purpose of life,choosing to please my Lord thus removing the chains of societal pressures. If we are not permitted to do this, or have not discovered the true freedom that comes from it, I believe we may as well just keel over and die.

My journey to hijab, and later, the face veil, was a spiritual endeavor and a religious choice. Wearing hijab for me once adopting Islam was a no brainier. The images I was brought up with of a pious chaste Mary (Allah be pleased with her) covering her beauty for her Lord, had a huge influence in this. Despite some reservations within my close circle of friends and family, once I decided to wear the face veil it was due to my own convictions;I had no doubts about my decision. Even my husband did not believe it was necessary at that time, but after listening to my reasons, he supported my assessment. He eventually was persuaded and agreed there was a strong case for it within the Islamic tradition. Yes, surprising as it sounds, I, the woman, got a man to agree with the veil.

It does make me wonder what Dr Taj Hargey would do if his wife or daughter decided they wanted to adopt the face veil? Would he force them to go against their values and beliefs? If so, wouldn’t he turn into that dominating male figure he claims to vehemently oppose? Actually, isn’t he doing that already?

I just pity her and feel sorry for her and hope she doesn’t up and go to Iraq, thinking a simple life is easier for her to bear.

By Ruqayyah Dawood
[3] Al-Qur’an [49:13]
[4] Al-Qur’an [33:59]
[5] Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4481
[6]Al Qur’an [24;30-31]
[7] Ihram is the sacred state of the pilgrim which includes two unsewn pieces of cloth for the men and other rules such as not killing a creature or trimming the nails.
[10] “Thrownness”, according to Heidegger and Binswanger, is a psychological term referring to the circumstances that characterize a person’s existence that are beyond the person’s control.