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Suppose you find a watch in the middle of a desert. What would you conclude? Would you think that someone dropped the watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself?
It depends. Have I ever seen a
watch before? If not then I would think it is another piece of nature. If yes,
I would know the machines and processes required to produce a watch and I have
possibly even been in a watch factory and have watched many of these
instruments being manufactured.
Of course no sane person would say that the watch just happened to emerge from the sand. All the intricate working parts could not simply develop from the metals the lay buried in the earth. The watch must have a manufacturer.
No, this is not correct. Why would
anyone jump to conclusions just because something is lying in the sand? There
are multiple assumptions and preconditions which must be met to make this true.
Sorry. The label "intricate working" is a human label. Humans are not able to define terms such as "order" and "intricate working". They are subjective and based on previous experience. We have no previous experience of a "non-orderly" vs. an "orderly" Universe.
We know what a watch is and know it requires a watch-maker. We also know what a tree is and know it does not require a tree-maker. We know what planets are, and stars. We know galaxies and know they don't require a planet-maker or star-maker or galaxy-maker. So by what logic can we assign a Universe-maker to the Universe simply because we don't yet know what happened at the Big Bang?
We know what a watch is and know it requires a watch-maker. We also know what a tree is and know it does not require a tree-maker. We know what planets are, and stars. We know galaxies and know they don't require a planet-maker or star-maker or galaxy-maker. So by what logic can we assign a Universe-maker to the Universe simply because we don't yet know what happened at the Big Bang?
If a watch
tells accurate time we expect the manufacturer must be intelligent. Blind
chance cannot produce a working watch.
The next jump. No, not true. Time
measurement is a human invention and human development has enabled
non-intelligent robots assembling watches. What is true is that a watch is unable to produce itself
and neither is chance capable of producing a watch.
But what
else tells accurate time? Consider the sunrise and sunset. Their timings are so
strictly regulated that scientists can publish in advance the sunrise and
sunset times in your daily newspapers. But who regulates the timings of sunrise
and sunset? If a watch can not work without an intelligent maker, how can the
sun appear to rise and set with such clockwork regularity? Could this occur by
itself?
The rotation of planet earth and
its tilt while orbiting the sun is highly inaccurate. It varies by huge
amounts. Even a gravitational tightly coupled pairing such as Earth and Moon
still varies by 10s of 1000s of kilometres.
That scientists can make predictions about natural occurrences is because they have learned to take mean figures using man-made scales and units.
Yes, indeed, the formation of galaxies and solar systems is purely an effect of gravity and the working of the energy and composition of what we don't yet know, dark matter and dark energy, which make up 96% of our Universe.
That scientists can make predictions about natural occurrences is because they have learned to take mean figures using man-made scales and units.
Yes, indeed, the formation of galaxies and solar systems is purely an effect of gravity and the working of the energy and composition of what we don't yet know, dark matter and dark energy, which make up 96% of our Universe.
Consider
also that we benefit from the sun only because it remains at a safe distance
from the earth, a distance that averages 93 million miles. If it got much
closer the earth would burn up. And if it got too far away the earth would turn
into an icy planet making human life here impossible. Who decided in advance
that this was the right distance? Could it just happen by chance?
This happens all the time and is
pure chance, governed by several factors.
Without
the sun plants would not grow. Then animals and humans would starve. Did the
sun just decide to be there for us?
The rays of the sun would be dangerous for us had it not been for the protective ozone layer in our atmosphere. The atmosphere around earth keeps the harmful ultraviolet rays from reaching us. Who was it that placed this shield around us?
We need to experience sunrise. We need the sun's energy and it's light to see our way during the day. But we also need sunset. We need a break from the heat, we need the cook of night and we need the lights to out so we may sleep. Who regulated this process to provide what we need?
Moreover, if we had only the sun and the protection of the atmosphere we would want something more-beauty. Our clothes provide warmth and protection, yet we design them to also look beautiful. Knowing or need for beauty, the designer of sunrise and sunset also made the view of them to be simply breathtaking.
The creator who gave us light, energy, protection and beauty deserves our thanks. Yet some people insist that he does not exist. What would they think if they found a watch in the desert? An accurate, working watch? A beautifully designed watch? Would they not conclude that there does exist a watchmaker? An intelligent watchmaker? One who appreciates beauty? Such is God who made us. SubhanAllah!
The rays of the sun would be dangerous for us had it not been for the protective ozone layer in our atmosphere. The atmosphere around earth keeps the harmful ultraviolet rays from reaching us. Who was it that placed this shield around us?
We need to experience sunrise. We need the sun's energy and it's light to see our way during the day. But we also need sunset. We need a break from the heat, we need the cook of night and we need the lights to out so we may sleep. Who regulated this process to provide what we need?
Moreover, if we had only the sun and the protection of the atmosphere we would want something more-beauty. Our clothes provide warmth and protection, yet we design them to also look beautiful. Knowing or need for beauty, the designer of sunrise and sunset also made the view of them to be simply breathtaking.
The creator who gave us light, energy, protection and beauty deserves our thanks. Yet some people insist that he does not exist. What would they think if they found a watch in the desert? An accurate, working watch? A beautifully designed watch? Would they not conclude that there does exist a watchmaker? An intelligent watchmaker? One who appreciates beauty? Such is God who made us. SubhanAllah!
In just a few million years, the sun will have burnt off the hydrogen
supply and will kill Earth along with all life. That is reality. A few million
years later our galaxy will collide with our neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda.
Then what?
So just appealing to emotion and hoping nothing will happen is not exactly the right way of looking at nature. Life is amazing. Just like a flower appearing in a crack in the pavement I sometimes wonder how lucky we are to exist at all.
So just appealing to emotion and hoping nothing will happen is not exactly the right way of looking at nature. Life is amazing. Just like a flower appearing in a crack in the pavement I sometimes wonder how lucky we are to exist at all.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy your exchange of blows you have with religious people.
I wonder what he/she would have answered if you would have asked him:
"So the watch must have a manufacturer? Then who made the manufacturer?" :D
Thanks. The reply would be the standard that I am not allowed to start off an infinite regress.
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ReplyDeleteSuppose you find a watch in the middle of a desert. What would you conclude? Would you think that someone dropped the watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself?
Other possible answers in case I dontknow what a watch is:
1.) If I were a religious or superstitious I would conclude that such a marvelous thing as that watch has a manufacturer, and also conclude that that manufacturer also created the desert I am walking, the air I breath and I would at one point conclude that the manufacturer must be very powerfull and better not anger him. I would think about how to please such a powerful manufacturer, like making up a moral doctrine that would grant me a place in his paradise (that he must also obviously have). I would write my doctrine down and seek other humans and try to convice them that, when they live by my doctrine they would be happy forever. If not they will suffer in eternity.
2.) I would indeed think that someone might have lost it, I might keep it for myself of, if i have nothing important to do might seek out the person who lost it. If i find him i might even as him i might ask him what it is i found and what its purpose is. That way i would learn about the manufacturer what other products he has. If the person who lost it is the manufacturer itself i would also tell him what i think of his creation, the flaws and what i like, and return it.
3.) I would try to find out what it is and how it works. depending on my smarts i would figure it out and try to manufacture it myself, maybe even improve it or even find other ways to show the progress of time. And maybe when i am successful with my attempt to create a watch of my own, i would trop one in the middle of the desert as i reminder/ gesture how i came to be what i am. :D
Constructive input! Thanks.
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Another possible way to answer to the analogy:
ReplyDeleteQuestion:
"Suppose you find a watch in the middle of a desert. What would you conclude? Would you think that someone dropped the watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself?"
1.) Counter question:
"How many people are needed to make a clock? Is a Clock produced by a "single" creator?"
2.) Counter question:
"Suppose you find a watch in the middle of a desert. Would you conclude that someone lost it? Or someone created the clock and put it there on purpose?
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