I am StopSpamming1 on YouTube, Skype, Facebook, Gmail, Yahoo, etc etc
That is my brandname.
Since the beginning of November 2013, I think it was the 6th, I am locked out of being able to communicate with other humans on YouTube.
I am unable to log in
I am unable to change any settings
I am unable to even see my settings for comments
I am unable to comment on videos, not even my own
I am unable to reply to comments people make
I am not able to communicate with people
Is this the Google version of "Freedom of Expression"?
When - as was the case in Communist Germany - everyone could say what they wanted as long as it was according to the censorship board?
Why all this?
Google servers have decided that my name is not a real name and have blocked all communications between my YouTube channel and Google Plus (whatever is Plus about the Plus...).
This effectively blocks my channel even for myself.
Because only Google decides who is allowed to say what. I do NOT care to only hear from the people Google thinks I care to hear from. I like controversy and opposing arguments. It's how I learn.
I want to be able to decide what level of conversation I want to tolerate. It is MY choice. Not Google's choice.
On my channel I do not teach people how to apply lipstick or show the nipple piercing of a large breasted woman. I bring controversial topics, thought provoking and mind stimulating contents to YouTube. At least I hope so.
This brings with it a high degree of threats all the way to death threats. I can bring the controversial contents because of the anonymity the web grants me. Google is killing this, for their own commercial gain.
With this, they are killing YouTube. And they will continue until it is just another advertising channel with occasional contents.
Rest in Peace.
08 November 2013
10 October 2013
The Atheist and the Astronaut
If I would be in a debate or be holding a speech on a
religious topic of sorts, I would probably use the following methodology to
start off on.
I would point to a closed door and ask people: there is an
astronaut behind that door. What information do you have about that astronaut?
I think people would say: none.
Which is true and wrong at the same time. If there is
something I call an “astronaut” behind that door, nobody inside the room knows
whether it is a male or a female
astronaut.
Nobody knows how tall that astronaut is.
Or whether wearing glasses.
What eye colour.
What political inclination.
Sense of humour
Punctuality
Honesty
of that astronaut.
We don’t know any of that.
But what we can
deduce is that, because this is an astronaut, this person does not require a
wheelchair and is reasonably fit, both mentally and physically.
If I say that there is a vegetarian behind that door, we have eliminated all further
possibilities of having any knowledge whatsoever of what kind of person is
behind that door.
We have only 1 single piece of information about that
person: the lack of eating meat.
We can’t say how strong a vegetarian this is, whether an
occasional fish-filet is ok or whether eggs are not. We know one thing and one
thing only: this person does not like eating red meat.
Now if I say there’s an atheist
behind that door and ask: what information do you have about that atheist?
There should be a single answer: this is a person who does
not believe there is evidence for the existence of gods.
Nothing else. It does not provide any indication on the level of this belief or make any claim
regarding the knowledge of the possibility of the existence of a god.
Regardless of what size fireworks go off in a person’s brain
about atheists, if anyone thinks about it rationally for just 2 seconds, they
will realise that this is the only information they really have. There is no
atheist narrative, an atheist agenda or an atheist worldview. Atheists can’t deny or hate gods. That would
be absurd. Most importantly, atheists don’t make claims. An atheist only reacts to claims. Claims made by theists,
who believe there is evidence of gods. Well, their favourite god at least.
Atheists are also passionate people with likes and dislikes,
who do make claims about all sorts
of things, depending on their individual personality. Because atheists are
allowed to be individuals and are not required to fit-in with a restricted
group culture. Atheists can work in accounting, as a taxi driver, a carpenter
or a teacher. An atheist can be interested in or knowledgeable about science or
not.
An atheist can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic
anti-theist as well as an atheist, it depends on the individual. Which means
that atheists disagree with each other and argue about anything and everything simply
because there is no common understanding above and beyond the lack of a belief
regarding gods.
Any claim over and above the evidence of gods made by me or
any other atheist is not because we are atheists but because we are humans.
And if we are not only atheists but also astronauts, we
don’t worry about asking for permission to leave Earth, which direction to pray
in when we are orbiting Earth and what animal to sacrifice when.
}K33:33
“O company of jinn and mankind, if
you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then
pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah].”
}K2:149
“And wherever you come from, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque”
“And wherever you come from, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque”
}K2:67
“Moses said to his people: "God demands that you sacrifice a cow,"
“Moses said to his people: "God demands that you sacrifice a cow,"
We have left that behind.
09 October 2013
Open Letter re iERA Action call
Open letter to
Professor Sir Adrian Smith,
I am pleased to hear that you are taking a stand against organised political activists from iERA (Islamic Education and Research Academy). Their goal is the implementation of Islamic Law (sharia) in the UK and the curbing of equal rights and freedoms our society has fought for. This is, for example, why they were banned from further events at universities in the UK, due to their insistence on gender segregation during those events.
The current wave of activity regarding the ban of iERA speakers (http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ebb500c4922ec74a0f5b35a48&id=f928b9f156&e=b6a10f9e5c) shows how dishonest this organisation is, making their ban due to contravening against segregation laws look as though this is politically motivated. The current ban based on the recommendations of a law enforcement body is completely warranted and called for. They are well known for their attempt at playing the victim and hiding behind undefined terms such as "Islamophobic" or anti-Muslim "racism".
One of their speakers has just a few days ago publicly declared that an old man having sex with a 9-year-old girl can be lawful under certain circumstances. This is called defending Islamic values, which you will find on the top left of their call for action. He has repeatedly made speeches about Islamic terrorism and was a member of a group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, which was banned in the UK. While I don't know what level of knowledge you have, please don't hesitate to ask for support in establishing what the public stand of the speakers from iERA actually is before being fooled by their attempts at looking peaceful and religiously motivated.
They are currently asking their followers worldwide to threaten you with further mails and calls in order to intimidate you and your staff by making their names and contact details public. I hope you will not be swayed in taking an objective decision.
Kind regards,
StopS
Professor Sir Adrian Smith,
I am pleased to hear that you are taking a stand against organised political activists from iERA (Islamic Education and Research Academy). Their goal is the implementation of Islamic Law (sharia) in the UK and the curbing of equal rights and freedoms our society has fought for. This is, for example, why they were banned from further events at universities in the UK, due to their insistence on gender segregation during those events.
The current wave of activity regarding the ban of iERA speakers (http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ebb500c4922ec74a0f5b35a48&id=f928b9f156&e=b6a10f9e5c) shows how dishonest this organisation is, making their ban due to contravening against segregation laws look as though this is politically motivated. The current ban based on the recommendations of a law enforcement body is completely warranted and called for. They are well known for their attempt at playing the victim and hiding behind undefined terms such as "Islamophobic" or anti-Muslim "racism".
One of their speakers has just a few days ago publicly declared that an old man having sex with a 9-year-old girl can be lawful under certain circumstances. This is called defending Islamic values, which you will find on the top left of their call for action. He has repeatedly made speeches about Islamic terrorism and was a member of a group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, which was banned in the UK. While I don't know what level of knowledge you have, please don't hesitate to ask for support in establishing what the public stand of the speakers from iERA actually is before being fooled by their attempts at looking peaceful and religiously motivated.
They are currently asking their followers worldwide to threaten you with further mails and calls in order to intimidate you and your staff by making their names and contact details public. I hope you will not be swayed in taking an objective decision.
Kind regards,
StopS
27 September 2013
Timeline Debate Islam or Atheism which makes more sense Tzortzis Nomani v Perkins Robinson in Swinburne, Australia
Debate Hamza Melbourne
Debate Islam or Atheism which makes more sense Tzortzis Nomani v Perkins Robinson in Swinburne
non-segregated
remarkably unremarkable.
6:20 Perkins starts
violence worldwide, no benefit either moral nor society, does not make sense, atheism does make sense
being human makes sense and gods are not required. What does make sense? Does that make sense? Why does it make sense?
Explains why the Koran does not make sense. Science is wonderful, the Koran is not.
13:00 origins of Koran and Islam
16:40 it would not matter if it did not do any damage - but it is harmful. No democracy or secularism.
Knowledge is haram.
20:33
Here's a discussion on "Knowledge is Haram"
Hamza
21:00 wants to walk out. Demands evidence that "knowledge is haram". Either lying or misinformed.
Says Perkins spews lies, is unethical, demeaning, disrespectful, shows bad on the atheist tradition.
... and if you're wrong I want an apology.
Perkins is right, of course.
20:114 Do not be in haste with the Qur'an before its revelation to you is completed, but say, "O my Sustainer! Increase my knowledge."
3:190 contemplate the creation of the heavens and the earth
58:11 who have been granted knowledge
there's 10 or 11 of sentences all talking about knowledge or reflecting - but always in connection with the Koran and the revelation. It's just not spelled out like that.
The culture and the tradition are anti-knowledge, but not the texts as such, so that's a bad move to say it without explaining it.
I would use 2:32 They (angels) said: "Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what you have taught us. Verily, it is You, the All-Knower, the All-Wise." to argue that nothing except which was taught by this god in the book he wrote is considered knowledge.
2:120 drives this further by saying that "after what you have received of knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an)"
2:255 "And they will never compass anything of His knowledge except that which He wills." repeats this.
Look at what happened to Malala, who was shot because she wanted knowledge from a school, not a Madrassa
So Hamza is just pounding his chest and acting. He gloats: I'm just trying to teach people manners.
Perkins gets stuck on Ghazali's "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" and gets it wrong, making matters even worse for himself.
Ghazali does bring about the death of critical thinking and separates cause from effect to make his god with his angels possible, but uses sound logics to achieve this. Of course he drops rational thinking and reason to do this, but does not say so. He also kills the myth of all-powerful by saying a thinking mineral is impossible. Even for a god.
24:20 repeats myth about Islamic Spain, when Europe was dark
24:45 will present 2 key arguments why Islam makes sense, will repsond to some of the lies and distortions later.
Oh god! I thought he had learned from the humiliating and slow death he had received from Professor Krauss. Not so. He brings up the same stupid and non-sensical arguments as he did when he had the very same topic with Professor Krauss. Nothing changed, the speeches are interchangeable, word for word.
Actually, what is hilarious is that he makes the point Perkins made very apparent, showing that knowledge for him is haram, because he manages to confirm his ignorance when it comes to infinity and the origins of the Universe.
He then proceeds with his usual "the Koran is beautiful" argument as though this proved something.
I've been through this so many times it gets tiring. I'll just skip it.
Robinson
41:00 Why I am an atheist, why Islam does not make sense. Factual, rational, sound presentation, showing the superstitious base of Islam which requires gullibity and the denial of modern knowledge.
Nomani
58:30 Pigs and prophecy are his argument. What a strange character.
He calls Hamza's case convincing, even though he did not make a case for Islam. He changes the topic from why Islam makes sense to "why atheism does not make sense". I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually knows what atheism means.
1:01:20 This crackpot now says he has a problem with what he calls the "entire atheist narrative". He completely ridicules everything he says by now claiming that atheists believe theirs is the only belief which is rational and which can be proven. What a joker!! Where did they pick him up? He demonstrates why atheists laugh about Muslim apologist so much.
After a few minute of this clown I was in stitches, giggling hysterically.
1:02:30 cosmology, clueless
while Hamza nods wisely
1:04:40 epistemology, atheism = scientific method, my initial fears are confirmed, this guy has no clue what atheism is and simply makes stuff up
1:08:30 morality, continues his nonsensical and primitive rambling
Perkins rebuttal (bad audio)
1:16:00 Does Islam deny democracy? No answer. Explains how "knowledge is haram" was meant. Points out some discrepancies. Nothing special.
1:21:00 Robinson, debating tricks, lack of knowledge
1:25:00 Nomani, talks without saying anything, rattles off names
1:29:40 Hamza, names, names. names. Calls this evidence.
1:35:00 cross examine
Hamza, science, traps Perkins, a non-scientist, who answers, instead of keeping quiet
What does this have to do with Islam? Nothing.
1:40:00 Hamza has just a minutes earlier claimed that Muslims 1000 years ago were so scientific and actually invented the scientific method and is now tearing it down as "mere" transmission from authorities we need to blindly trust, calling it testimonial. Which is it? Man, he really does not have the slightest idea of what science is, yet doesn't shut up about it.
1:40:20 Hamza does not understand the onus of proof, telling the atheists they need to provide evidence that the Koran is NOT of divine origins. It is his claim, he needs to prove it. The atheist, quite rightly, does not see the inimitibility claim as proof or even evidence because humans have in fact provided unique books and the challenge is as firmly worded as the Koran, nameley, not at all.
He does not understand science and calls the results "scientific truths", which is nonsense, and then claims people need to blindly trust scientists when they explain evolution. He does not understand that you can't believe "in" evolution and that any human can go and verify the claims or disprove them.
1:42:00 the joker asks whether the atheists question the truths Muslims believe, a preconceived notion, a loaded question and a presuppositional argument. What makes him assume that what he believes is true, when the Koran gets almost every factual claim wrong.
Both Hamza and the Nomani guy now provide a superb show of their ignorance, equivocating the fabricated hadiths with the scientific method. Astonishingly primitive, amazingly obtuse and delightfully inane.
Hamza must be the most retarded person I have seen in a debate. He says that the atheists have not provided any evidence except testimonial evidence, where he has quoted scholars. Is he really too stupid to realise that him rattling off names is nothing else? He says Perkins has not performed the scientific experiments regarding evolution himself and has to rely on others.
Then he goes and says someone wrote about Muhammad, centuries after he dies and this proves the existence of Muhammad.
This is the level of intellectual debate Hamza delivers. Mind-boggling.
Hamza later lies, when he says "It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon" and they "each swims along in its own orbit" in 36: 40 is accurate and correct and represents reality.
We also have "By the Sun ... By the Moon as she follows him… 91: 1-2
Bukhari then confirms this by stating the sun orbit Earth during the day and then waits to rise again the next morning.
He goes off into his old-fashioned rhetoric and rambles on, trying to knock science without understanding it.
Has he gone gay now? He calls Perkins my darling and pretends as though in the UK you call everyone "my darling". Do you?
1:54:00 Perkins apologises in advance and asks whether 65.4 is an example of morality, where girls are allowed to be married.
The joker asks whether the girl has menstruated as though this were the sole criteria. Despicable.
He does concede the point thay Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old girl. He tries to justify it and the Muslims in the audience appload with ecstatic cries. That is what Islam does to people.
Hamza claims that the legal age in Greece for marriage is 13, Google provides the following:
The legal minimum age for marriage in Greece is 18 years for both men and women.
http://greece.angloinfo.com/family/marriage-partnerships/
What Hamza is referring to is this:
Muslim girls living in Thrace, north-east Greece, can expect to be legally married by the age of 13, without the state uttering a word against it. This is a violation of EU rules for the protection of childhood.
http://forum.sofeminine.co.uk/forum/carriere1/__f15_carriere1-Young-girls-legally-married-in-greece.html
It's really going for the worse here.
2:00:00 SMS Q&A
2:12:00 concluding statements
What do we learn at the end? Secularism is a disease.
Timeline "Codename Terror" w comments
Codename
Terror 51:44
3rd
lecture, Doha Fanar, Hamza Tzortzis
1:00 start, ritualistic mumbling, Muslims speak the truth
2:00 what is terror, examples, foreign policy,
fighting, Islam foreign policy, Jijad
3:00 positive fruits of Jihad, removing obstacles
and oppressors, foreign policy of The West, not humanitarian, but
geopoloitical, landgrabing, natural resources
4:00 defensive and progressive Jihad, why
fighting is permitted, is terrorism religiously motivated?
5:00 20 & 21st century bloody. Prof Carter
bloodiest century ever (not surprising, is it), more people have died under the
banner of secular ideologies, (wrongly) quotes the Koran as saying saving a
life saves mankind and killing a life is killing all humanity.
6:00 Dr. Zibi Brzezinski, Out of Control: Global
Turmoil
(1993,
former National Security Advisor for the U.S. government, paints chessboard of worldpower)
provides
deaths
(Hamza
says 21st century, which is hardly possible)
87.5m people in politically
motivated reasons, not 3000 in 9/11, which is wrong and we disagree with it
(conspiracy theories???), 7/7 London is wrong and we disagree with it. Look,
87.5m people through state terrorism.
(what
is terrorism for him?)
Fact:
"Lives
deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage": 167,000,000 to 175,000,000 Including:
War
Dead: 87,500,000
Military war dead: 33,500,000
Civilian war dead: 54,000,000
Not-war
Dead: 80,000,000
Communist
oppression: 60,000,000
http://necrometrics.com/warstat8.htm
so
it's politically motivated reasons. As usual, Hamza lies when it suits him.
Also,
"he is unquestionably a paranoid-schizophrenic in the rigorous
epistemological sense of that term." (Lyndon H. LaRouche)
7:00 terrorism according to the UN is killing for
politically motivated reasons,
(actually,
UN tried and was stopped by Muslims (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) over
9/11 for right of self-determination (KSA denounced the “official state terrorism”
carried out by Israel against the Palestinian people in their legitimate
struggle against occupation for the right to self-determination) the entire
minutes are available
online)http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/gal3433.doc.htm
Hamza
is talking absolute nonsense: "The UN has no internationally-agreed
definition of terrorism."
http://www.humanrightsvoices.org/EYEontheUN/un_101/facts/?p=61
Why?
The
prime reason is the standoff with the Organization of the Islamic Conference
(OIC), who want to exclude blowing up certain civilians from the reach of
international law and organizations
Hamza
goes from terrorism to war casualties to state terrorism being terrorism
8:00 We shouldn't kill innocent human beings,
let's be just here, we have an epistemic duty (Epistemology is the
philosophical study of truth and all things pertaining to truth. One discussion
in epistemology is the concept of epistemic duty, the idea that there are
truths that people have a duty to believe. ,
http://www.ehow.com/list_6953080_epistemic-duties.html)
if
this is true that 87.5m people died through politically motivated reasons
(untrue), via secular nations and states, then we need to start talking about
what is the real terror, which here, without a doubt is state backed terrorism.
8:40 We saw this in Iraq, 1.2 million people
dying (without specifying who and how).
174,000 people documented killed in
violence in Iraq since 2003
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/ten-years
The
last 13,000 U.S/ troops were withdrawn in December 2011.
We
saw this with the depleted Uranium on the tips of some bombs. (horrific) This
is state terrorism.
9:00 We Muslims need to speak the truth even if
it is against our own selves.
10:00 paraphrases hadith, where angel is ordered to
destroy a town along with an overly pious man. Repeats the lie that
100,
corrects himself, 87.5m innocent deaths for politically motivated reasons in
the 21st century.
11:00 Repeats claim that this is the real terrorism.
If discuss fighting it is quickly determined what the real terrorism is and who
is committing the real terrorism. We
Muslims do naughty things.
(what
a slimebag)
Break!
which
everyone condemns (well, no) - BUT we need to call the spade a spade and look
at the greatest terror, which we know is that the worst terrorism is the
terrorism committed for politically motivated resons by secular nations.
Now
the discussion should be what some people think terrorism is. Terrorism is not
Jihad. I will take you on an intellectual journey. Anthropological studies on
war and fighting. Fighting is a human reality. Different reasons, defence,
attack enemies, gain land, natural resources and geopolitics. War and fighting
are human phenomena and irrespective of race or religion.
Example:
US and UK fighting for oil and strategic dominance in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Even the support for Libya I would argue was more of a European project with
the French and the British. Libya is important because it provides access to
the resources of Africa and also because of oil. So let's not be under any kind of illusion
that when politicians come forward that this is humanitarian. Why are they not
in other countries? It's because of American interests
(what
happened to the Europeans?)
(they prevent innocent lives 2x)
14:00 Islam is not a religion, but a worldview and a
comprehensive way of life. Allah knows humans and humans fight, so Islam sets
rules for fighting and how Muslims go to war. Muhammad articulated rules we
find in the Geneva convention, ahead of his time. Divine revelation, like no
killing of innocent people, no killing of women and children, no burning of
crops and trees, only fight those that fight you, no wanton destruction.
15:00 Abu Bakr gave 10 rules to his army. This is
what Islam talks about when we want to engage in fighting - after diplomacy
fails (where does it mention that?).
(Joseph
Schacht (1959). Origins of Muhammadan jurisprudence. Clarendon Press. p. 145. ISBN
978-1-59740-474-7. "Abu Bakr instructed one of his commanders to lay waste
every village where he did not hear the call to prayer.")
We
didn't come up with the term collateral damage, which means the killing of
innocents. Every
16:00 The rights of the battlefield and the
combatants, K5:32, giving a wrong rendition, lying through his teeth.
Therefore
We ordained for the Children of Israel that he who slays a soul unless it be
(in punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he
had slain all mankind; and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life
to all mankind.
I
felt dirty at this moment, filthy dirty, physically and psychologically ill
from listening to such an evil, despicable person and I
had
to take a break. I just couldn't handle it.
17:30 We are not allowed to torture or attack a
wounded person.
(5:33
- "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger
and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be
murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides..."
8:12
- "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am
with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts
of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips
off them."
24:2
- "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication - flog each of
them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you." )
(he
cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of
iron. Sahih Al-Bukhari
their
cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Sahih Al-Bukhari
their
hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were
thrown in the sun, until they died. Sahih Muslim)
18:05 Prisoners of war should not be slain.
(When
they reached as-Safra', he ordered that two of the prisoners should be killed.
They were an-Nadr ibn al-Harith and 'Uqbah ibn Abi Mu'ayt, because they had
persecuted the Muslims in Makkah, and harboured deep hatred towards Allah and
His
Messenger
sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam. In a nutshell, they were criminals of war in
modern terminology, and their execution was an awesome lesson to oppressors.)
(In
audacious defiance, he declared obstinate enmity to the Prophet sallallahu
'alayhi wa sallam but admitted that Allah's Will was to be fulfilled and added
that he was resigned to his fate. He was ordered to sit down, and was beheaded
on the spot.)
(Only
one woman of the Jews was killed because she had killed a Muslim warrior by
flinging a grinding stone upon him. )
(Women
captives were sent to Najd to be bartered with horses and weaponry.)
http://sunnahonline.com/library/history-of-islam/287-story-of-the-prisoners-of-the-battle-of-badr-the
Sahih
Muslim 19:4321 explicitly condones the killing of women and children.
Abu
Dawud 14:2665 has a woman laughing before she too is killed, while the men
behind her are being executed.
innocent
person should be mourned.
Trees
should not be cut.
What
is strange is that a piercing is prohibited because of this, but circumcision
is not.
Sahih
Muslim 19:4324 explicitly condones the cutting down of trees.
Sahih
Bukhari 1:8:420 explicitly condones the cutting down of trees.
ibn
Kathir: to humiliate them and bring fear and terror to their hearts, he ordered
their date trees to be cut down
no
one should be tied up and killed
was
admitted into the audience of the Prophet with his hands tied to his neck with
a rope… He was ordered to sit down, and was beheaded on the spot.
also
we have teachings on the looting and destruction of the enemies country.
Yet
every attack or battle talks about both. What was Muhammad’s profession?
Pirate.
K8:1 The spoils of war belong to Allah and the
messenger
During
the sacred months they raided a Meccan caravan, looting it and “decided to kill
as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow
and killed him”
The
only reaction was the instantaneous appearance of 2:217, where the Islamic god
condoned the heinous and brutal act by his followers.
Some
apologists come up with an explanation which has Muhammad claiming his own
property, which was robbed from him when he left Mecca in a hurry. So does the
reclaiming of your own property warrant the killing of the people accompanying
the caravan? Would Muhammad share the booty if this was all his property?
According to the narrative, the caravan was transporting dry raisins and
leather and other merchandise of Quraish, no mention of Muhammad’s property.
But
there was another raid on a Meccan caravan, where Muhammad ordered his men
“This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it,
perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.”
19:00 We believe in the sanctity of a dead body.
How
does this affect organ transplants, not foreseen and thus never mentioned in
the Koran or the hadiths?
Also,
there is a loophole: It is possible to mutilate the dead only in case of
retaliation
Saudi
Sheik Omar Abdullah Hassan al-Shehabi:
"The
dead can be mutilated as a reciprocal act when the enemy is disfiguring Muslim
corpses, or when it otherwise serves the Islamic nation. In the second
category, the reasons include "to terrorize the enemy" or to gladden
the heart of a Muslim warrior"
Is
this why Muhammad asked during a funeral: “Is there anyone among you who did
not have sexual relations with his wife last night?” Abu Talha replied in the
affirmative. And so the Prophet told him to get down in the grave
Or why
necrophilia in Egypt is ok for up to six hours?
Apparently,
“I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and
I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the
grave.” This hadith exists multiple times.
When
dead bodies were pulled out of a well, Unable to contain his joy Muhammad started
calling them by name and bragged to the corpses about his victory.
Why
does the Koran mention several times unbelievers and that they will be killed,
crucified and have their hands and feet cut off? Is this a matter of preference
or scale?
We
believe in returning the corpses to the enemy.
Well,
not actually returning, but allowing them to be picked up.
We
believe in the prohibition of the breach in treaties.
Well,
except if it suits you to do so.
20:15 Take these amazing and beautiful values and
contrast this with what happens in the West on a practical level.
1.2
million in Iraq. BBC 40% smart bombs hit their targets. (1999 Kosovo conflict)
War is
always dirty. Why not prohibit it? Why not declare fighting and killing haram
if your almighty god is unable to or does not want to create peaceful humans?
21:00 Zionists as example.
Zionism
is the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to Israel and the
protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defence
Forces. Today there are separate movements, Political Zionism; Religious
Zionism; Socialist Zionism and Territorial Zionism.
The
IDF murdered 100s of POWs in 1956 and 1967. (He forgot 1973 and 1982)
Is the
fact that Israel killed Muslims the reason that Muslims kill non-Muslims all
over the world? Is there any justification for this?
Why
do we never see the mourning for the 3000 killed in XXX?
We
see the 9/11 mourning every year, why not this one?
I
am not saying we should compare the 2.
(So
why compare them?)
Does
it mean that the blood if a Muslim is worth less than that of a non-Muslim?
Is
that what people are trying to say?
We
don’t believe in this. We in Islam believe that every human blood has equal
value in this perspective.
Israel
was found to be complicit and Ariel Sharon, the defence Minister at the time
was found to be personally responsible.
Israel
Israel Israel
…
and USA in South America.
24:35 Jihad. Jihad is a liberating concept. Jihad is
when Muslims go to war and there are rules as discussed.
1.
Defensive
2.
Progressive Jihad
26:10 Muslims gather to expel the armies which have
invaded their lands.
Did
they do this when Kuwait was invaded? No.
Bla
bla bla crusaders invading Palestine, Mongols, etc. No mention of methodology
or weapons permissible.
Does
this include blowing yourself up and killing 30 Muslims?
27:20 Progressive Jihad. Is practically undertaken
by a legitimate Islamic state according to some ulema. No such state exists
today. The ultimate objective is dawa. In reality.
Dawa via Jihad is removing the
obstacles which prevent the establishment of the peace and justice and mercy of
Islam. Removing oppressors, showing that the state is a humanitarian state.
Therefore Islam demonstrates it is humanitarian.
Yes,
as long as you join in the ranks of the Muslims. If not, you die.
What
if a nation does not actually want the peace and justice and mercy of Islam?
Secondary
goals of progressive jihad:
Removing
oppression
Defending
the weak
Implementing
the justice and the mercy of Islam
…
and this is where the problem comes in. Who in a free country wants the
ruthless, cruel, restrictive ethics of the 7th century imposed on them? I don’t
know anyone.
29:00 Coptic Bishop John of Nikiou, Heraclius abused
people, Bishop John says that people
helped the Muslims.
Someone
who wrote the historical text in Wikipedia does not agree with the version
Hamza is trying to dish out and writes about 7th century John of
Nikiou: John credits the Muslims for not destroying Christian holy places, but
he also records the numerous atrocities committed against the Egyptians and the
prohibitive new taxes placed on the native population. In some cases, the taxes
were so burdensome that families were forced to sell their children into
slavery.
A.J.
Butler's “The Arab Conquest of Egypt”, from 1902 also paints a very different
picture.
On
page 365 he writes:
“The
whole country is described as suffering oppression at the hands of the Muslims”
The
conditions are laid out where, on page 321 he writes:
For
the payment of tribute and taxes constituted them a protected people (ahl adh dhimmah)
with a status implying these privileges. The tribute was fixed at two dinârs
per head for all except very old men and children, and the total capitation-tax
was found to amount to 12,000,000 dinârs, or about £6,000,000 but in addition
to the capitation-tax, a land-tax or property-tax was imposed.
The
non-Muslim Egyptians welcomed their liberators.
30:00 Oppression and all forms of genocide would
justify progressive jihad.
1.
Invites anyone to accept belief
2.
Invites to immigrate
3.
War
This
is to remove the political structure or the barrier to the promotion of peace
and justice of Islam.
33:00 If Islam goes to war it is not for money but
to remove oppression, to show people the mercy, the rahma of the system of
Islam. He quotes some Jew who praises Muslims
34:00 USA geopolitical wars, shifting its army,
nothing humanitarian. France and UK are expanding for access to African
resources. Political parties claiming they want equality and a defence of
democratic values, All not true. Repeats Spain and Jews again and again.
35:45 again and again removal of oppression and
injustice
36:30 Koran. Mentions justified violence. To promote
Islamic justice in war.
40:00 quotes 4:75 for some reason, to remove
oppression and help oppressed people
41:00 results of jihad. We can’t talk about jihad
today because we don’t have an Islamic nation so we have to talk about the
past.
When,
in the history of mankind, was there one Islamic nation?
Reinhard
Dosy Spain Christians happy with tolerance of Muslims
Prof
Thomas Arnold Christians Spain ecstatic
Names
and more names all describing Islam as paradise on Earth
46:00 Most suicide bombers are Tamil Tigers. Muslim
suicide bombers appear where the ASA had or has armed forces. Iraq, before the
invasion of the USA had not a single suicide bomber. Political injustice
provides the reason for the proponents of such so-called terrorist attacks.
Prof Pape continues: there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism or any one of the world’s religions. They have a secular goal. Allahu akbar
Prof Pape continues: there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism or any one of the world’s religions. They have a secular goal. Allahu akbar
48:00 The events in London were triggered by the
occupation of Iraq.
So
an army fighting a dictator is the reason why civilians of that country should
die.
We
must condemn terrorist acts – but we have to be nuanced.
We
have to understand the role of negative Western foreign policy.
This
has exasperated the sense of injustice which facilitates this terrorism.
Totally
deluded, thinking that there were really regions, nations, people calling for
Muslims. Calling to Muslims: please oppress us and impose your 7th century
superstitions and backward ideology on us.
05 September 2013
Timeline of "The Rationaliser Debunked" video on YouTube
Intro
0:05 requirements
0:06 not a
science book
0:06 Koran
is very clear, where just now it was for experts only
0:07 purpose,
scientific miracles = disease in their hearts
0:10 21:30
don’t they see? Plural of canopies.
“heavens
and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living
thing of water”
Rationalizer
thinks canopies are flat.
0:12 canopy,
jet, canopy, canopy is a canopy. Rationalizer wants to deviate, deceive and
lead astray, he is not sincere
0:15 requirements,
Arabic 99% of Arabic speaking people can’t understand the Koran
0:16 Islam
Channel, Bilal Philips e=mc2 is shirk, I am a theoretical physicist. This is a
formula for a particle at rest. For a particle which is moving, that formula is
completely different.
0:17 people
who believe in this equation
0:19 the heat
is dissipitated and we make something from this energy
0:19 Zakir
Naik, says Earth is a spheroid based on the Koran. Is he wrong?
Example
39: 5 He created the heavens and the earth truthfully. He rolls the night over
the day, and rolls the day over the night
Now
he’s a mathematical physicist
0:26 tafsirs
don’t support this, Koran can be understood by normal people
0:28 Rationalizer,
unbelievable, some Earth was flat and some spherical. Muhammad believed flat.
0:29 Board
Muslims vs non-Muslims, both ignorant, mis-translating, lying, arrogant, making
things up
0:33 trained
in making things up
0:34 back
in those days they had hadith fabrication schools
0:36 humans
are humans and the Koran helps to be a good human
0:37 Muslims
and non-Muslims battle and people in the middle get confused
(why
don’t they read?)
0:38 story
of him in the mosque
0:39 hadiths
are not for lay-men, proof: why did a guy write a commentary if it is easy?
0:41 non-Muslims
want to deviate people, this is their aim. They want to attack Islam. They
think that the Koran is similar to Bible. They have no clue.
0:42 mis-this
and mis-that are also done by orientalists. (It’s always the others!)
0:43 they
can’t find anything wrong with the Koran so they look for mistakes in the
translations to deceive people. And they are trying to deceive you. Muslims
group Muslims.
0:46 a
clueless victim, a Muslim complains that Christians only need to defend their
Bible. Muslims, however, need to defend the Koran, the Hadiths AND the Tafsirs.
(Poor
boy! Because the Koran is so vague and ambiguous, there is a need for a
commentary. And the hadiths. And commentaries on the hadiths. If the Islamic
god had made things clear – as is promised in the Koran – there would be no
need for all the secondary texts)
0:48 people
are not reading the Koran properly, Rationaliser is one of them. He’s not
showing people the truth, he’s just mocking them. So he’s mocking with himself,
but I don’t want to go through everything he says.
0:49 Now
he, philosophically, confirms what Rationalizer said earlier. But he says it’s
unbelievable when Columbus proved it. (What is he talking about???)
0:50 Rationalizer
says Muhammad thought Earth was flat. Unbelievable. (Is that what he says? What
does Muhammad say about the shape of Earth?)
Muslims
and non-Muslims take sentences out of context. The Koran has 114 chapters and
each chapter tackles certain things. (Really?) For a reason it is called a
chapter. A chapter is a different chapter. Amazing.
0:53 Example,
example, Rationalizer. Mocking. (Misrepresenting.) He thinks Muhammad wrote the
Koran. He’s not sincere. Deceive. Read the Koran and you will see the
characteristics. But the companions knew the hypocrites.
0:54 madda.
They say that the Koran says that Earth is flat. (where does Rationalizer say
this?) Explains the word maddha. Longer, larger, smooth, even, flat
(13:3
And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing
streams)
(15:19
And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused
each seemly thing to grow therein)
0:58 This
guy is talking nonsense. It is so clear. I will show you looking at ard and
madda. Ard is earth we stand on. We spread it, made it even. Does it say
anything about the shape? The ceiling is the opposite of the earth or ground we
stand on. Ceiling is the opposite. Or canopy and protected.
1:00 I made
this earth comfortable and liveable. “Do you”
1:02 These
people are sick in their mentality, they want to deceive. Show me my mistakes.
Accept them.
1:03 The
question is: ard and madda, they mean what? Rationalizer does not speak Arabic,
Ignorance. Ignorance of Titans.
1:05 Question:
Are there classic commentators? They all agree in saying spread out. Dahaha is
like sutahad is like daha, like kurua and gets lost
1:07 If a
person thinks this is flat or spherical, god will not punish them (no, of
course not, he created this mess), so the advice is to accept the stretched out
and not to worry about the shape of the planet. (Does making it flat indicate a
sphere?)
1:08 Earth
is not in the same shape as it was
1:09 These
are theories
1:10 The
atmosphere changed everything. Earth was different. It was hostile. God made it
perfect. God separated heavens and earth and created water. Then Earth was
smoothed down. Plate tectonics move divergence convergence mountains
1:13 lava,
gas, atmosphere, continents, Pangaea, lava, atmosphere, convergence, mountains,
goodness for people in mountains. Stretched. Asteroids look like peanuts. Earth
is a sphere. Why? Internal Gravity.
1:16 Atmosphere
built nicely, oxygen, ozone layer. UV light rays, mezzosphere protects us from
meteorites. It is a protective ceiling for us.
1:17 This
guy thinks that Earth is flat and the canopy is flat. If it would be chance,
the atmosphere would be full of sulphuric acid and CO2 (reality: 78.09%
nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide)(sulphuric acid is
not a gas, but a liquid, not SO2) and the Earth would be hot and hostile in the
beginning and not suitable for complex organisms. (early Earth WAS hot and
hostile)
1:18 scientists
confirm that the planet was just perfect for life. It has been planned. It is
all measured, created. Not by chance.
1:19 Question:
Rationalizer is taking it out of context. What is the intended meaning? Fight
against people who don’t believe is about being in self-defence who attack you,
those you need to fight. (not talk, but fight). What happens to POW’s, how you
treat them.
1:21 People
like Rationalizer don’t understand and have not studied geometry or topology.
Pilots know when you analyse geometry of thing, we look at like local
co-ordinates or global co-ordinates.
1:22 People
are so ignorant and this leads to absurdity. Me, for his benefit his equation
is false. Common sense and ignorance do
not lead to absolute you need to be a charlatan as well. He thinks he knows
everything and jokes but fools himself.
1:23 Google
geometry, topology, manifolds, GPS, differential geometry, (three-dimensional
Euclidean space, a triangle will have different characteristics depending on
surface) local and global, which is locally flat. Carpet in a room. A carpet
can’t be a spheroid carpet, but a flat carpet.
1:26 Earth
is locally flat. Globally spherical. Euclidean dimensions, co-ordinates, xyz
1:28 this
guy denies up and down. He shows that if Earth is a spheroid, this is up and
this is up as well. (Exactly! On a flat Earth it would not happen) Question: I
saw the video and that was a gaffe, basically. (a verbal error) He has no
understanding… he is confusing non-Muslims, he has no understanding of geometry
either. He doesn’t even have a sense of direction. And he makes YouTube videos.
Updownleftright
1:29 Do we
have a concept of up and down, like upstairs?
Audience:
According to Rationalizer we are on a sphere and there is no up and down. (just
6 minutes ago he was able to differentiate between global and local)
Yes,
because he thinks he’s a big giant, like you know, I don’t know what he thinks
of himself
Audience:
he compares himself to the size of the Universe maybe.
Yeah,
this, like, this is a sickness, it’s just, seriously I’m even erm I didn’t even
want to do this like erm talk and talk about this guy because it’s like no
science erm I don’t know it’s just this guy doesn’t know anything.
1:29 anyway, this what we call egocentric
coordinates (geocentric coordinates = Earth-centered system), relative
direction, translation, study co-ordinates, sense of co-ordination, as this guy
doesn’t.
1:30 We
say that gravity pulls objects down. So whatever object is moving away from
gravity is moving upwards (again contradicting himself). I have studied from
seriously like Primary School till like PhD. All I dealt with “things like
gravity”. Up/down, all the time. So according to his mentality, this doesn’t
exist on this spherical xxx.
1:31 And
then also he’s extremely confused and he’s trying to like confuse others as
well. The pillars which you cannot see.
(13:2
It is Allah Who has raised the heavens without any supports that you could see)
(31:10
He created the heavens without any pillars visible to you)
I
haven’t seen a single house which is just in the air. So the question is, for
normal people, not for people like the Rationalizer, because he’s super
intelligent, that’s why he thinks that he’s criticising this verse, the verse
clearly saying, that allah raised the canopies or the heavens – erm - without –
the – like – the pillars that you cannot see basically. Pillars that you cannot
see.
1:33 Audience:
so using his genius brain probably thinks this means invisible pillars.
Exactly,
this is again the sickness. Like we can’t see things and allah can do anything.
Like I have studied gravity. All the scientists don’t even know what gravity
is. We don’t know, seriously. Like space-time. We don’t know what space-time
is, what it looks like, we have no clue. ( a quick Google search would have
helped: NASA has announced the results of an epic physics experiment which
confirms the reality of a space-time vortex around our planet.)
1:34 Same
thing with gravity. We believe gravity is because of gravitons. (it’s a boson
which could mediate the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field
theory) Electromagnetic force, weak force have particles, so why not gravity. We
have measured we have made experiments that such a force exist. Gravity is not
the kind of pillars that we can see. An
invisible pillar, at the end of the day the pillar is there, to hold that thing
like you know place. So gravity does that. (gravity stops the roof from falling
to the ground?)
1:35 Audience:
according to these people basically, the Koran can’t use any figurative
language, so if it says pillars, it must be actual pillars.
Yeah,
it’s rubbish
Audience:
and if it says flat it means flat
Yeah
that’s what he does. He says for example why does it say he raised up? It
should say far away, far away. These stars or heavens
1:36 This
guy doesn’t even know what cosmology is all about. Not all stars are made up
far away. (really?) We have to know that the Universe has been accelerating.
Expanding. So they were all like next to one another. Right? And then the
expansion started and then they were already like made d’you understand, the
birth were already happened. And then they start like ok some of them they are
still being made. But not all of
them. So9 if you want to be really
accurate, he is again flopping. Like all the time. Waffle ramble
1:38 What
would be the point of allah saying: I made Earth spherical? What’s the point of
this? Then I would say you made my life difficult. Do you understand? Preaching
… Everything is created in pairs.
1:39 Earth
is so perfect for humans
500,000
earthquakes per year and only 0.02% cause damage. (That’s 1 every 3 days,
actually, ~800,000 deaths in 10 years)
1:40 Allah
threatens people who go against him with earthquakes. I am not saying that this
verse talks about gravity. As a scientist and as a thinker it just comes to my
mind. The word is not there neither any indications.
1:41 Audience:
is there any verse which says we are not living on a flat Earth. No. There is a
verse where people say this about the Big Bang, separated heavens and the
Earth, this is stupid. Singularity. Big Bang.
Theory. String Theory.
1:45 Studied
like cosmology, wrote this a research
paper about like, you know, this space-time Big Bang, black holes, in essence,
string theory, like, you know, never
have I seen a drop of water after Big Bang
1:47 mountains
are stable, living on a mountain, like the Andes in Argentina, where weather
changes, a house on sand will collapse during an earthquake and built on a
mountain is stable, mountains will move like clouds, because of tectonic plates
1:56 mountains
are like pegs, like anchors, placed on top of the crust, stabilising the area
2:03 Carpets
are for sitting, not to make a surface flat, to be comfortable
2:05 Audience:
it is xenophobic (unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign),
isn’t it basically, you see the carpet so you want to take the meaning of
flatness from that. It’s xenophobic and they want to show that the people were
into the flat Earth and he wants to show they are flat Earthers, they are
stupid. That’s what he’s after the Rationalizer
Yes,
you also need to look at curvature and the local geometry, for example the
Universe (global, not local), if we are talking about global geometry it is the
topology of the Universe.
2:07 Euclidian
geometry with a curvature of 0 is flat. Etc. This makes it clear. How we deal
with things.
2:08 Audience:
what do you say to Muslims who claim mountains are like pegs which represents a
miracle?
To
be honest, I just laugh at these people. (he just said the opposite a few
minutes ago) Mountains are there, they will be there in 100 years and in 100
million years, they will have moved a bit. Plates move and mountains are like
pegs. So there is no scientific error.
2:15 Audience:
why is he so keen to show that Earth is flat?
I
don’t know. He doesn’t know what this verse is related to, so he’s just talking
rubbish.
2:18 This
guy is taking quotes from Bible and comparing them to Koran, saying that Koran
copied from Bible. There is not a single verse in the Koran which mentions
roots of mountains.
2:19 You
are the reference point, you can look up. Gravity pulls you down.
Audience:
so relative to the Universe there is no up or down?
Yes,
yeah, it’s like, yeah, if you think like erm, you don’t even know and the other
thing is you know these people – what are they saying? You know, Big Bang or
what are they saying? - - some people claim that like they can like see – erm –
you know the funny thing is – you know the people who claim – erm – like - erm – big bang or the heavens and the earth
they were together and bla bla – like – 96% of the Universe is dark. No clue.
Only 4% is visible.
2:21 The
Koran says that the stars are like lamps and they beautify our sky and we have
no knowledge. As a scientist I accept this and I cannot say more.
2:22 The
other thing is like he makes this assumption that if Earth is flat, then the
sky is flat too. OK? Again like stupid thing. Xxx you know, like we said we can
get like canopies. Like this. And you
know the funny thing is, you can even like get it read it in some texts, they
would explain the atmosphere, is like stretching, stretching, so, if the
atmosphere is stretching, the Earth, the surface is also stretching. OK? The
atmosphere is around the Earth. Does that make sense to you?
Nobody
answers
So,
the surface also stretches. So we have things like elasticity, plasticity,
2:27 Allah
created 7 like ceilings and 7 earths. What does this mean? We need to look into
that but today was only to show the serious mistakes of these people, of non-Muslims
and Muslims
2:30 I
studied astro-physics, so I know this is last phase of sun, which is called Red
Giant. The light of the stars will be going down kind of thing. They will emit
in longer wave-lengths because again I studied like astro-physics.
2:35 (a
last, desperate attempt) audience: are you saying there are no scientific
miracles in the Koran?
No,
there are miracles in the Koran, the Koran itself is a miracle, if you know how
to read it.
2:39 Let
me see, yeah, as we said like for example I have been on mountains, I have
climbed mountains, ok?, I never felt like I have been shaken or this stuff.
2:45 From
here we can see that these people not only literalists, they are also like they
are living in cuckoo land. That’s what I can say. They have no clue like about
language, about science, nothing.
2:46 the
message is clear. Things were not good in the beginning, then they were made
perfect.
Thank you.
A more simplified timeline
00:10:00 - 00:25:00 repudiating Bilal Philips, Zakir Naik
00:30:00 Muslims mistranslating/lying for Scientific miracles
00:34:00 Muslims fabricating hadith/ translations
00:48:00 Finally gets to TheRationalizer
00:49:00 People knew from 600 BCE that the earth was spherical
00:50:00 TheRationalizer claimed that Muhammad was Flat-Earther (FE) because he is from a 7th century desert
00:50:15 Not a single verse saying the Earth is flat
00:50:30 Muslims and Non-Muslims take verse out of context
00:53:15 Rationalizer said "Allah chin up"/ contradiction (Chuck doesn't have a sense of humor)
00:54:50 Rationalize uses "Madda"
00:58:00 The word "Ard" means ground (not the whole earth)
01:05:00 Tafsirs on Ard and Madda and other words
01:06:15 Tafsir al-Jalalyn (does not fully quote him)
01:08:20 Qur'an does not mention what the shape of the Earth is/ Rationalizer is making things up
01:09:00 Stretching/ Elongating/ Spreading does not mean a flat-earth
01:10:00 Earth was hostile/ Allah evened it out/ that is the meaning of the verses
01:12:00 Plate tectoncs
01:17:00 The atmosphere protects us
01:17:30 Rationalizer believes the canopy is flat
01:18:40 "Scientists believe Earth just worked out to be perfect for life" (Sigh)
01:23:00 More and More ad hominems (getting boring now)!
01:24:00 THe earth is "locally flat"/ Global vs Local coordinates etc etc
01:25:00 Carpets are flat for "locall flat" earth
01:27:45 TheRationalizer denies "up" and "down" / More ad hominems
01:30:00 TheRationalizer has no sense of direction, coordination/ More ad hominem (blah blah)
01:31:45 "The pillars you cannot see" / not referring to invisible pillars/ interprets them as gravity
01:36:00 Therationalizer claims the Quran should have said the "heavens are far away"
01:38:00 If allah had said the earth is spherical, it would have made our lives difficult (???)
01:40:00 Earthquakes are to threaten people
01:40:20 Disclaimer about the "gravity" reinterpretation
01:41:00 Only share the "gravity"retinterpretation with "levelheaded" people
01:41:35 Chuck repudiates the "big bang miracle claim"
01:47:00 Unshakeable mountains - does not mean they can't be moved by plate tectonics
01:51:30 Quran actually says that the mountains move like clouds ... on the day of judgement
01:56:00 Mountains as pegs ... why does rationalizer assume this means mountains are fixed?
02:03:00 Nothing wrong with saying Earth is like a carpet
02:05:00 a student behind the camera - The rationalizer is xenophobic (lol)
02:07:45 criticizing 'mountain miracle" claims
02:11:00 Quotes sura 13:4/ claims it says neighboring land segments move (not found in the translations)
02:12:00 Need to understand the verse with reference to human beings ... and not geological time scales
02:14:30 Therationalizer talks about the earth on the day of judgement and misses the point
02:18:00 TheRationalizer compares the quran with verses from the bible/ the roots of the mountains
02:20:00 Criticizing the big bang miracle again/
02:21:00 Stars as lamps
02:22:00 Rationalizer claimed if the earth is flat the sky is flat too
02:24:00 the "atmosphere" is raised up/ sky is a protective ceiling/
02:25:00 Criticizes big bang again
02:25:30 Meaning of "heaven" in the quran
02:27:45 a lot of imams are jokers
02:28:20 "shamsat quvirat" (the sun coils..)/interprets it as the red giant
02:33:40 Disclaimer about his reinterpretations
02:34:20 "Falling stars" is a mistranslation
02:35:30 Are there any scientific miracles in the Quran?
02:38:30 Miracle apologists are fanatics/ not humble
02:40:00 Jalalyn on Mountains
02:41:30 Quotes 21:104 (folding of heavens)
02:47:00 The world is dangerous because people deceive other people
00:30:00 Muslims mistranslating/lying for Scientific miracles
00:34:00 Muslims fabricating hadith/ translations
00:48:00 Finally gets to TheRationalizer
00:49:00 People knew from 600 BCE that the earth was spherical
00:50:00 TheRationalizer claimed that Muhammad was Flat-Earther (FE) because he is from a 7th century desert
00:50:15 Not a single verse saying the Earth is flat
00:50:30 Muslims and Non-Muslims take verse out of context
00:53:15 Rationalizer said "Allah chin up"/ contradiction (Chuck doesn't have a sense of humor)
00:54:50 Rationalize uses "Madda"
00:58:00 The word "Ard" means ground (not the whole earth)
01:05:00 Tafsirs on Ard and Madda and other words
01:06:15 Tafsir al-Jalalyn (does not fully quote him)
01:08:20 Qur'an does not mention what the shape of the Earth is/ Rationalizer is making things up
01:09:00 Stretching/ Elongating/ Spreading does not mean a flat-earth
01:10:00 Earth was hostile/ Allah evened it out/ that is the meaning of the verses
01:12:00 Plate tectoncs
01:17:00 The atmosphere protects us
01:17:30 Rationalizer believes the canopy is flat
01:18:40 "Scientists believe Earth just worked out to be perfect for life" (Sigh)
01:23:00 More and More ad hominems (getting boring now)!
01:24:00 THe earth is "locally flat"/ Global vs Local coordinates etc etc
01:25:00 Carpets are flat for "locall flat" earth
01:27:45 TheRationalizer denies "up" and "down" / More ad hominems
01:30:00 TheRationalizer has no sense of direction, coordination/ More ad hominem (blah blah)
01:31:45 "The pillars you cannot see" / not referring to invisible pillars/ interprets them as gravity
01:36:00 Therationalizer claims the Quran should have said the "heavens are far away"
01:38:00 If allah had said the earth is spherical, it would have made our lives difficult (???)
01:40:00 Earthquakes are to threaten people
01:40:20 Disclaimer about the "gravity" reinterpretation
01:41:00 Only share the "gravity"retinterpretation with "levelheaded" people
01:41:35 Chuck repudiates the "big bang miracle claim"
01:47:00 Unshakeable mountains - does not mean they can't be moved by plate tectonics
01:51:30 Quran actually says that the mountains move like clouds ... on the day of judgement
01:56:00 Mountains as pegs ... why does rationalizer assume this means mountains are fixed?
02:03:00 Nothing wrong with saying Earth is like a carpet
02:05:00 a student behind the camera - The rationalizer is xenophobic (lol)
02:07:45 criticizing 'mountain miracle" claims
02:11:00 Quotes sura 13:4/ claims it says neighboring land segments move (not found in the translations)
02:12:00 Need to understand the verse with reference to human beings ... and not geological time scales
02:14:30 Therationalizer talks about the earth on the day of judgement and misses the point
02:18:00 TheRationalizer compares the quran with verses from the bible/ the roots of the mountains
02:20:00 Criticizing the big bang miracle again/
02:21:00 Stars as lamps
02:22:00 Rationalizer claimed if the earth is flat the sky is flat too
02:24:00 the "atmosphere" is raised up/ sky is a protective ceiling/
02:25:00 Criticizes big bang again
02:25:30 Meaning of "heaven" in the quran
02:27:45 a lot of imams are jokers
02:28:20 "shamsat quvirat" (the sun coils..)/interprets it as the red giant
02:33:40 Disclaimer about his reinterpretations
02:34:20 "Falling stars" is a mistranslation
02:35:30 Are there any scientific miracles in the Quran?
02:38:30 Miracle apologists are fanatics/ not humble
02:40:00 Jalalyn on Mountains
02:41:30 Quotes 21:104 (folding of heavens)
02:47:00 The world is dangerous because people deceive other people
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