Intro
0:05 requirements
0:06 not a
science book
0:06 Koran
is very clear, where just now it was for experts only
0:07 purpose,
scientific miracles = disease in their hearts
0:10 21:30
don’t they see? Plural of canopies.
“heavens
and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living
thing of water”
Rationalizer
thinks canopies are flat.
0:12 canopy,
jet, canopy, canopy is a canopy. Rationalizer wants to deviate, deceive and
lead astray, he is not sincere
0:15 requirements,
Arabic 99% of Arabic speaking people can’t understand the Koran
0:16 Islam
Channel, Bilal Philips e=mc2 is shirk, I am a theoretical physicist. This is a
formula for a particle at rest. For a particle which is moving, that formula is
completely different.
0:17 people
who believe in this equation
0:19 the heat
is dissipitated and we make something from this energy
0:19 Zakir
Naik, says Earth is a spheroid based on the Koran. Is he wrong?
Example
39: 5 He created the heavens and the earth truthfully. He rolls the night over
the day, and rolls the day over the night
Now
he’s a mathematical physicist
0:26 tafsirs
don’t support this, Koran can be understood by normal people
0:28 Rationalizer,
unbelievable, some Earth was flat and some spherical. Muhammad believed flat.
0:29 Board
Muslims vs non-Muslims, both ignorant, mis-translating, lying, arrogant, making
things up
0:33 trained
in making things up
0:34 back
in those days they had hadith fabrication schools
0:36 humans
are humans and the Koran helps to be a good human
0:37 Muslims
and non-Muslims battle and people in the middle get confused
(why
don’t they read?)
0:38 story
of him in the mosque
0:39 hadiths
are not for lay-men, proof: why did a guy write a commentary if it is easy?
0:41 non-Muslims
want to deviate people, this is their aim. They want to attack Islam. They
think that the Koran is similar to Bible. They have no clue.
0:42 mis-this
and mis-that are also done by orientalists. (It’s always the others!)
0:43 they
can’t find anything wrong with the Koran so they look for mistakes in the
translations to deceive people. And they are trying to deceive you. Muslims
group Muslims.
0:46 a
clueless victim, a Muslim complains that Christians only need to defend their
Bible. Muslims, however, need to defend the Koran, the Hadiths AND the Tafsirs.
(Poor
boy! Because the Koran is so vague and ambiguous, there is a need for a
commentary. And the hadiths. And commentaries on the hadiths. If the Islamic
god had made things clear – as is promised in the Koran – there would be no
need for all the secondary texts)
0:48 people
are not reading the Koran properly, Rationaliser is one of them. He’s not
showing people the truth, he’s just mocking them. So he’s mocking with himself,
but I don’t want to go through everything he says.
0:49 Now
he, philosophically, confirms what Rationalizer said earlier. But he says it’s
unbelievable when Columbus proved it. (What is he talking about???)
0:50 Rationalizer
says Muhammad thought Earth was flat. Unbelievable. (Is that what he says? What
does Muhammad say about the shape of Earth?)
Muslims
and non-Muslims take sentences out of context. The Koran has 114 chapters and
each chapter tackles certain things. (Really?) For a reason it is called a
chapter. A chapter is a different chapter. Amazing.
0:53 Example,
example, Rationalizer. Mocking. (Misrepresenting.) He thinks Muhammad wrote the
Koran. He’s not sincere. Deceive. Read the Koran and you will see the
characteristics. But the companions knew the hypocrites.
0:54 madda.
They say that the Koran says that Earth is flat. (where does Rationalizer say
this?) Explains the word maddha. Longer, larger, smooth, even, flat
(13:3
And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing
streams)
(15:19
And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused
each seemly thing to grow therein)
0:58 This
guy is talking nonsense. It is so clear. I will show you looking at ard and
madda. Ard is earth we stand on. We spread it, made it even. Does it say
anything about the shape? The ceiling is the opposite of the earth or ground we
stand on. Ceiling is the opposite. Or canopy and protected.
1:00 I made
this earth comfortable and liveable. “Do you”
1:02 These
people are sick in their mentality, they want to deceive. Show me my mistakes.
Accept them.
1:03 The
question is: ard and madda, they mean what? Rationalizer does not speak Arabic,
Ignorance. Ignorance of Titans.
1:05 Question:
Are there classic commentators? They all agree in saying spread out. Dahaha is
like sutahad is like daha, like kurua and gets lost
1:07 If a
person thinks this is flat or spherical, god will not punish them (no, of
course not, he created this mess), so the advice is to accept the stretched out
and not to worry about the shape of the planet. (Does making it flat indicate a
sphere?)
1:08 Earth
is not in the same shape as it was
1:09 These
are theories
1:10 The
atmosphere changed everything. Earth was different. It was hostile. God made it
perfect. God separated heavens and earth and created water. Then Earth was
smoothed down. Plate tectonics move divergence convergence mountains
1:13 lava,
gas, atmosphere, continents, Pangaea, lava, atmosphere, convergence, mountains,
goodness for people in mountains. Stretched. Asteroids look like peanuts. Earth
is a sphere. Why? Internal Gravity.
1:16 Atmosphere
built nicely, oxygen, ozone layer. UV light rays, mezzosphere protects us from
meteorites. It is a protective ceiling for us.
1:17 This
guy thinks that Earth is flat and the canopy is flat. If it would be chance,
the atmosphere would be full of sulphuric acid and CO2 (reality: 78.09%
nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide)(sulphuric acid is
not a gas, but a liquid, not SO2) and the Earth would be hot and hostile in the
beginning and not suitable for complex organisms. (early Earth WAS hot and
hostile)
1:18 scientists
confirm that the planet was just perfect for life. It has been planned. It is
all measured, created. Not by chance.
1:19 Question:
Rationalizer is taking it out of context. What is the intended meaning? Fight
against people who don’t believe is about being in self-defence who attack you,
those you need to fight. (not talk, but fight). What happens to POW’s, how you
treat them.
1:21 People
like Rationalizer don’t understand and have not studied geometry or topology.
Pilots know when you analyse geometry of thing, we look at like local
co-ordinates or global co-ordinates.
1:22 People
are so ignorant and this leads to absurdity. Me, for his benefit his equation
is false. Common sense and ignorance do
not lead to absolute you need to be a charlatan as well. He thinks he knows
everything and jokes but fools himself.
1:23 Google
geometry, topology, manifolds, GPS, differential geometry, (three-dimensional
Euclidean space, a triangle will have different characteristics depending on
surface) local and global, which is locally flat. Carpet in a room. A carpet
can’t be a spheroid carpet, but a flat carpet.
1:26 Earth
is locally flat. Globally spherical. Euclidean dimensions, co-ordinates, xyz
1:28 this
guy denies up and down. He shows that if Earth is a spheroid, this is up and
this is up as well. (Exactly! On a flat Earth it would not happen) Question: I
saw the video and that was a gaffe, basically. (a verbal error) He has no
understanding… he is confusing non-Muslims, he has no understanding of geometry
either. He doesn’t even have a sense of direction. And he makes YouTube videos.
Updownleftright
1:29 Do we
have a concept of up and down, like upstairs?
Audience:
According to Rationalizer we are on a sphere and there is no up and down. (just
6 minutes ago he was able to differentiate between global and local)
Yes,
because he thinks he’s a big giant, like you know, I don’t know what he thinks
of himself
Audience:
he compares himself to the size of the Universe maybe.
Yeah,
this, like, this is a sickness, it’s just, seriously I’m even erm I didn’t even
want to do this like erm talk and talk about this guy because it’s like no
science erm I don’t know it’s just this guy doesn’t know anything.
1:29 anyway, this what we call egocentric
coordinates (geocentric coordinates = Earth-centered system), relative
direction, translation, study co-ordinates, sense of co-ordination, as this guy
doesn’t.
1:30 We
say that gravity pulls objects down. So whatever object is moving away from
gravity is moving upwards (again contradicting himself). I have studied from
seriously like Primary School till like PhD. All I dealt with “things like
gravity”. Up/down, all the time. So according to his mentality, this doesn’t
exist on this spherical xxx.
1:31 And
then also he’s extremely confused and he’s trying to like confuse others as
well. The pillars which you cannot see.
(13:2
It is Allah Who has raised the heavens without any supports that you could see)
(31:10
He created the heavens without any pillars visible to you)
I
haven’t seen a single house which is just in the air. So the question is, for
normal people, not for people like the Rationalizer, because he’s super
intelligent, that’s why he thinks that he’s criticising this verse, the verse
clearly saying, that allah raised the canopies or the heavens – erm - without –
the – like – the pillars that you cannot see basically. Pillars that you cannot
see.
1:33 Audience:
so using his genius brain probably thinks this means invisible pillars.
Exactly,
this is again the sickness. Like we can’t see things and allah can do anything.
Like I have studied gravity. All the scientists don’t even know what gravity
is. We don’t know, seriously. Like space-time. We don’t know what space-time
is, what it looks like, we have no clue. ( a quick Google search would have
helped: NASA has announced the results of an epic physics experiment which
confirms the reality of a space-time vortex around our planet.)
1:34 Same
thing with gravity. We believe gravity is because of gravitons. (it’s a boson
which could mediate the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field
theory) Electromagnetic force, weak force have particles, so why not gravity. We
have measured we have made experiments that such a force exist. Gravity is not
the kind of pillars that we can see. An
invisible pillar, at the end of the day the pillar is there, to hold that thing
like you know place. So gravity does that. (gravity stops the roof from falling
to the ground?)
1:35 Audience:
according to these people basically, the Koran can’t use any figurative
language, so if it says pillars, it must be actual pillars.
Yeah,
it’s rubbish
Audience:
and if it says flat it means flat
Yeah
that’s what he does. He says for example why does it say he raised up? It
should say far away, far away. These stars or heavens
1:36 This
guy doesn’t even know what cosmology is all about. Not all stars are made up
far away. (really?) We have to know that the Universe has been accelerating.
Expanding. So they were all like next to one another. Right? And then the
expansion started and then they were already like made d’you understand, the
birth were already happened. And then they start like ok some of them they are
still being made. But not all of
them. So9 if you want to be really
accurate, he is again flopping. Like all the time. Waffle ramble
1:38 What
would be the point of allah saying: I made Earth spherical? What’s the point of
this? Then I would say you made my life difficult. Do you understand? Preaching
… Everything is created in pairs.
1:39 Earth
is so perfect for humans
500,000
earthquakes per year and only 0.02% cause damage. (That’s 1 every 3 days,
actually, ~800,000 deaths in 10 years)
1:40 Allah
threatens people who go against him with earthquakes. I am not saying that this
verse talks about gravity. As a scientist and as a thinker it just comes to my
mind. The word is not there neither any indications.
1:41 Audience:
is there any verse which says we are not living on a flat Earth. No. There is a
verse where people say this about the Big Bang, separated heavens and the
Earth, this is stupid. Singularity. Big Bang.
Theory. String Theory.
1:45 Studied
like cosmology, wrote this a research
paper about like, you know, this space-time Big Bang, black holes, in essence,
string theory, like, you know, never
have I seen a drop of water after Big Bang
1:47 mountains
are stable, living on a mountain, like the Andes in Argentina, where weather
changes, a house on sand will collapse during an earthquake and built on a
mountain is stable, mountains will move like clouds, because of tectonic plates
1:56 mountains
are like pegs, like anchors, placed on top of the crust, stabilising the area
2:03 Carpets
are for sitting, not to make a surface flat, to be comfortable
2:05 Audience:
it is xenophobic (unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign),
isn’t it basically, you see the carpet so you want to take the meaning of
flatness from that. It’s xenophobic and they want to show that the people were
into the flat Earth and he wants to show they are flat Earthers, they are
stupid. That’s what he’s after the Rationalizer
Yes,
you also need to look at curvature and the local geometry, for example the
Universe (global, not local), if we are talking about global geometry it is the
topology of the Universe.
2:07 Euclidian
geometry with a curvature of 0 is flat. Etc. This makes it clear. How we deal
with things.
2:08 Audience:
what do you say to Muslims who claim mountains are like pegs which represents a
miracle?
To
be honest, I just laugh at these people. (he just said the opposite a few
minutes ago) Mountains are there, they will be there in 100 years and in 100
million years, they will have moved a bit. Plates move and mountains are like
pegs. So there is no scientific error.
2:15 Audience:
why is he so keen to show that Earth is flat?
I
don’t know. He doesn’t know what this verse is related to, so he’s just talking
rubbish.
2:18 This
guy is taking quotes from Bible and comparing them to Koran, saying that Koran
copied from Bible. There is not a single verse in the Koran which mentions
roots of mountains.
2:19 You
are the reference point, you can look up. Gravity pulls you down.
Audience:
so relative to the Universe there is no up or down?
Yes,
yeah, it’s like, yeah, if you think like erm, you don’t even know and the other
thing is you know these people – what are they saying? You know, Big Bang or
what are they saying? - - some people claim that like they can like see – erm –
you know the funny thing is – you know the people who claim – erm – like - erm – big bang or the heavens and the earth
they were together and bla bla – like – 96% of the Universe is dark. No clue.
Only 4% is visible.
2:21 The
Koran says that the stars are like lamps and they beautify our sky and we have
no knowledge. As a scientist I accept this and I cannot say more.
2:22 The
other thing is like he makes this assumption that if Earth is flat, then the
sky is flat too. OK? Again like stupid thing. Xxx you know, like we said we can
get like canopies. Like this. And you
know the funny thing is, you can even like get it read it in some texts, they
would explain the atmosphere, is like stretching, stretching, so, if the
atmosphere is stretching, the Earth, the surface is also stretching. OK? The
atmosphere is around the Earth. Does that make sense to you?
Nobody
answers
So,
the surface also stretches. So we have things like elasticity, plasticity,
2:27 Allah
created 7 like ceilings and 7 earths. What does this mean? We need to look into
that but today was only to show the serious mistakes of these people, of non-Muslims
and Muslims
2:30 I
studied astro-physics, so I know this is last phase of sun, which is called Red
Giant. The light of the stars will be going down kind of thing. They will emit
in longer wave-lengths because again I studied like astro-physics.
2:35 (a
last, desperate attempt) audience: are you saying there are no scientific
miracles in the Koran?
No,
there are miracles in the Koran, the Koran itself is a miracle, if you know how
to read it.
2:39 Let
me see, yeah, as we said like for example I have been on mountains, I have
climbed mountains, ok?, I never felt like I have been shaken or this stuff.
2:45 From
here we can see that these people not only literalists, they are also like they
are living in cuckoo land. That’s what I can say. They have no clue like about
language, about science, nothing.
2:46 the
message is clear. Things were not good in the beginning, then they were made
perfect.
Thank you.
A more simplified timeline
00:10:00 - 00:25:00 repudiating Bilal Philips, Zakir Naik
00:30:00 Muslims mistranslating/lying for Scientific miracles
00:34:00 Muslims fabricating hadith/ translations
00:48:00 Finally gets to TheRationalizer
00:49:00 People knew from 600 BCE that the earth was spherical
00:50:00 TheRationalizer claimed that Muhammad was Flat-Earther (FE) because he is from a 7th century desert
00:50:15 Not a single verse saying the Earth is flat
00:50:30 Muslims and Non-Muslims take verse out of context
00:53:15 Rationalizer said "Allah chin up"/ contradiction (Chuck doesn't have a sense of humor)
00:54:50 Rationalize uses "Madda"
00:58:00 The word "Ard" means ground (not the whole earth)
01:05:00 Tafsirs on Ard and Madda and other words
01:06:15 Tafsir al-Jalalyn (does not fully quote him)
01:08:20 Qur'an does not mention what the shape of the Earth is/ Rationalizer is making things up
01:09:00 Stretching/ Elongating/ Spreading does not mean a flat-earth
01:10:00 Earth was hostile/ Allah evened it out/ that is the meaning of the verses
01:12:00 Plate tectoncs
01:17:00 The atmosphere protects us
01:17:30 Rationalizer believes the canopy is flat
01:18:40 "Scientists believe Earth just worked out to be perfect for life" (Sigh)
01:23:00 More and More ad hominems (getting boring now)!
01:24:00 THe earth is "locally flat"/ Global vs Local coordinates etc etc
01:25:00 Carpets are flat for "locall flat" earth
01:27:45 TheRationalizer denies "up" and "down" / More ad hominems
01:30:00 TheRationalizer has no sense of direction, coordination/ More ad hominem (blah blah)
01:31:45 "The pillars you cannot see" / not referring to invisible pillars/ interprets them as gravity
01:36:00 Therationalizer claims the Quran should have said the "heavens are far away"
01:38:00 If allah had said the earth is spherical, it would have made our lives difficult (???)
01:40:00 Earthquakes are to threaten people
01:40:20 Disclaimer about the "gravity" reinterpretation
01:41:00 Only share the "gravity"retinterpretation with "levelheaded" people
01:41:35 Chuck repudiates the "big bang miracle claim"
01:47:00 Unshakeable mountains - does not mean they can't be moved by plate tectonics
01:51:30 Quran actually says that the mountains move like clouds ... on the day of judgement
01:56:00 Mountains as pegs ... why does rationalizer assume this means mountains are fixed?
02:03:00 Nothing wrong with saying Earth is like a carpet
02:05:00 a student behind the camera - The rationalizer is xenophobic (lol)
02:07:45 criticizing 'mountain miracle" claims
02:11:00 Quotes sura 13:4/ claims it says neighboring land segments move (not found in the translations)
02:12:00 Need to understand the verse with reference to human beings ... and not geological time scales
02:14:30 Therationalizer talks about the earth on the day of judgement and misses the point
02:18:00 TheRationalizer compares the quran with verses from the bible/ the roots of the mountains
02:20:00 Criticizing the big bang miracle again/
02:21:00 Stars as lamps
02:22:00 Rationalizer claimed if the earth is flat the sky is flat too
02:24:00 the "atmosphere" is raised up/ sky is a protective ceiling/
02:25:00 Criticizes big bang again
02:25:30 Meaning of "heaven" in the quran
02:27:45 a lot of imams are jokers
02:28:20 "shamsat quvirat" (the sun coils..)/interprets it as the red giant
02:33:40 Disclaimer about his reinterpretations
02:34:20 "Falling stars" is a mistranslation
02:35:30 Are there any scientific miracles in the Quran?
02:38:30 Miracle apologists are fanatics/ not humble
02:40:00 Jalalyn on Mountains
02:41:30 Quotes 21:104 (folding of heavens)
02:47:00 The world is dangerous because people deceive other people
00:30:00 Muslims mistranslating/lying for Scientific miracles
00:34:00 Muslims fabricating hadith/ translations
00:48:00 Finally gets to TheRationalizer
00:49:00 People knew from 600 BCE that the earth was spherical
00:50:00 TheRationalizer claimed that Muhammad was Flat-Earther (FE) because he is from a 7th century desert
00:50:15 Not a single verse saying the Earth is flat
00:50:30 Muslims and Non-Muslims take verse out of context
00:53:15 Rationalizer said "Allah chin up"/ contradiction (Chuck doesn't have a sense of humor)
00:54:50 Rationalize uses "Madda"
00:58:00 The word "Ard" means ground (not the whole earth)
01:05:00 Tafsirs on Ard and Madda and other words
01:06:15 Tafsir al-Jalalyn (does not fully quote him)
01:08:20 Qur'an does not mention what the shape of the Earth is/ Rationalizer is making things up
01:09:00 Stretching/ Elongating/ Spreading does not mean a flat-earth
01:10:00 Earth was hostile/ Allah evened it out/ that is the meaning of the verses
01:12:00 Plate tectoncs
01:17:00 The atmosphere protects us
01:17:30 Rationalizer believes the canopy is flat
01:18:40 "Scientists believe Earth just worked out to be perfect for life" (Sigh)
01:23:00 More and More ad hominems (getting boring now)!
01:24:00 THe earth is "locally flat"/ Global vs Local coordinates etc etc
01:25:00 Carpets are flat for "locall flat" earth
01:27:45 TheRationalizer denies "up" and "down" / More ad hominems
01:30:00 TheRationalizer has no sense of direction, coordination/ More ad hominem (blah blah)
01:31:45 "The pillars you cannot see" / not referring to invisible pillars/ interprets them as gravity
01:36:00 Therationalizer claims the Quran should have said the "heavens are far away"
01:38:00 If allah had said the earth is spherical, it would have made our lives difficult (???)
01:40:00 Earthquakes are to threaten people
01:40:20 Disclaimer about the "gravity" reinterpretation
01:41:00 Only share the "gravity"retinterpretation with "levelheaded" people
01:41:35 Chuck repudiates the "big bang miracle claim"
01:47:00 Unshakeable mountains - does not mean they can't be moved by plate tectonics
01:51:30 Quran actually says that the mountains move like clouds ... on the day of judgement
01:56:00 Mountains as pegs ... why does rationalizer assume this means mountains are fixed?
02:03:00 Nothing wrong with saying Earth is like a carpet
02:05:00 a student behind the camera - The rationalizer is xenophobic (lol)
02:07:45 criticizing 'mountain miracle" claims
02:11:00 Quotes sura 13:4/ claims it says neighboring land segments move (not found in the translations)
02:12:00 Need to understand the verse with reference to human beings ... and not geological time scales
02:14:30 Therationalizer talks about the earth on the day of judgement and misses the point
02:18:00 TheRationalizer compares the quran with verses from the bible/ the roots of the mountains
02:20:00 Criticizing the big bang miracle again/
02:21:00 Stars as lamps
02:22:00 Rationalizer claimed if the earth is flat the sky is flat too
02:24:00 the "atmosphere" is raised up/ sky is a protective ceiling/
02:25:00 Criticizes big bang again
02:25:30 Meaning of "heaven" in the quran
02:27:45 a lot of imams are jokers
02:28:20 "shamsat quvirat" (the sun coils..)/interprets it as the red giant
02:33:40 Disclaimer about his reinterpretations
02:34:20 "Falling stars" is a mistranslation
02:35:30 Are there any scientific miracles in the Quran?
02:38:30 Miracle apologists are fanatics/ not humble
02:40:00 Jalalyn on Mountains
02:41:30 Quotes 21:104 (folding of heavens)
02:47:00 The world is dangerous because people deceive other people
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